Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong

[deezler]

The guy by the loader is on the phone. A young nerdy looking guy. He was likely operating the loader. Hey boss I lowered the loader on the trailer and broke the truck . I think thats what he's saying there.

You might be on to something. Sometimes at the local nursery / landscape yards, the loader driver tries to squash my 3rd yard of soil/rock into my 6x10 dump trailer to get it spread out and below the trailer sides. More than once, they have compressed the trailer suspension dangerously far by nearly lifting the front wheels of the loader into the air.

 

[4570Man]

You might be on to something. Sometimes at the local nursery / landscape yards, the loader driver tries to squash my 3rd yard of soil/rock into my 6x10 dump trailer to get it spread out and below the trailer sides. More than once, they have compressed the trailer suspension dangerously far by nearly lifting the front wheels of the loader into the air.

I don’t see how they could’ve done that with the load that far below the sides. I’d lean more towards the dirt clumping together and falling out all at once.

 

[deezler]

^ yeah.... you're right. I see no evidence of a loader squash. But even a full yard or 1.5 yard dumped at once should not buckle a new pickup frame.

Alternate theory. Was the ram lifted with aftermarket suspension? That front looks pretty high, even given the situation. I dunno, I'm stumped.

 

[4570Man]

^ yeah.... you're right. I see no evidence of a loader squash. But even a full yard or 1.5 yard dumped at once should not buckle a new pickup frame.

Alternate theory. Was the ram lifted with aftermarket suspension? That front looks pretty high, even given the situation. I dunno, I'm stumped.

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That’s probably a 2-3 yard loader with a gravel bucket. I’ve seen mulch yards running oversized buckets on loaders that could increase the capacity more.

 

[BigBlue1]

This is a trailer with 3 yards of 3/4 minus red rock on it. This is a 16' 10K equipment trailer with sides (two 2x8 high). 3 yards of gravel puts me right at the load limit of my trailer. As you can see, the trailer in the gravel pit picture has much higher sides and the load looks much deeper.

That could well be around 15k pounds on that trailer and if it is not distributed well it may have 3-4K tongue weight. May be well over double the tongue weight rating of that 1500 and if it was dumped quickly would have been quite a point load.

Rob

 

[BigBlue1]

Would be interesting to know where the OP got that picture from. Maybe we could find the full story.

 

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Would be interesting to know where the OP got that picture from. Maybe we could find the full story.

I went through a few of the comments on this possible source and also found this gem there:

Of course in this particular situation, you have a dually (I see 19.5's, is that an F450?), but also a very heavy long camper which necessitates the use of an extended hitch... and from the angle of the trailer, it looks like a fairly long one (there's at least 10' from the front wheel to the front of the trailer box from my view).

If the trailer was loaded with a significant ratio to the front, that's multiplied because of the long hitch bar and maybe with a bit of road salt corrosion to the frame? Did someone drill the frame to attach the step bars?

 

[MechE1]

That RAM pic is interesting. I think, like most things, a combination of issues. I'd bet that load is somewhere around 5 yards/15000 lbs if a 16' trailer. I doubt that loader bucket would have that much volume. I don't see where the loader would have pressed down. But maybe even worse, if the bucket were somewhat packed and dumped from a higher than normal level to avoid the wood extensions could definitely have contributed to the dynamic loading. I think the static load is beyond maxed out, but I cannot see the static load "breaking" that frame like that. I think a slowly applied "static" load would have lifted the front off the ground before the frame yielded. This sure seems like an impact to me.

 

[Thomas]

^ yeah.... you're right. I see no evidence of a loader squash. But even a full yard or 1.5 yard dumped at once should not buckle a new pickup frame.

Alternate theory. Was the ram lifted with aftermarket suspension? That front looks pretty high, even given the situation. I dunno, I'm stumped.

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I'm surprise the operator didn't stop sooner even if pickup said it's okay.

 

[4570Man]

That RAM pic is interesting. I think, like most things, a combination of issues. I'd bet that load is somewhere around 5 yards/15000 lbs if a 16' trailer. I doubt that loader bucket would have that much volume. I don't see where the loader would have pressed down. But maybe even worse, if the bucket were somewhat packed and dumped from a higher than normal level to avoid the wood extensions could definitely have contributed to the dynamic loading. I think the static load is beyond maxed out, but I cannot see the static load "breaking" that frame like that. I think a slowly applied "static" load would have lifted the front off the ground before the frame yielded. This sure seems like an impact to me.

Screened topsoil isn’t very heavy. I was scaling about 15k with 9-10 yards on my truck.

 

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It looks like a single axle 10-12' trailer to me. The middle vertical of the wood extensions on the driver's side comes down in the middle of the visible wheel, and the front half of that wood looks like about 5' long to me when comparing to the guy standing there, so I doubt there's another axle.

This reduces the likely load in the trailer, but increases the probability that an unbalanced load will vastly increase the downforce on the truck since it's not shared between the axles.

This article mentions how even pulling a normal sized trailer can cause a frame break if a bump is hit. I'm wondering if this 1500 wasn't loaded somewhere else in the yard and they hit a bump as they were driving through the yard on their way out? It's not obvious to me that the trailer was loaded right there.

 

[Jstpssng]

It looks like a single axle 10-12' trailer to me. The middle vertical of the wood extensions on the driver's side comes down in the middle of the visible wheel, and the front half of that wood looks like about 5' long to me when comparing to the guy standing there, so I doubt there's another axle.

This reduces the likely load in the trailer, but increases the probability that an unbalanced load will vastly increase the downforce on the truck since it's not shared between the axles.

This article mentions how even pulling a normal sized trailer can cause a frame break if a bump is hit. I'm wondering if this 1500 wasn't loaded somewhere else in the hard and they hit a bump as they were driving through the yard on their way out? It's not obvious to me that the trailer was loaded right there.

That is interesting, as well as the discussion beneath it.
Well, until a couple of members started sniping at each other. I sure am glad that never happens here.

 

[bmaverick]

^ yeah.... you're right. I see no evidence of a loader squash. But even a full yard or 1.5 yard dumped at once should not buckle a new pickup frame.

Alternate theory. Was the ram lifted with aftermarket suspension? That front looks pretty high, even given the situation. I dunno, I'm stumped.

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I tried to zoom in, but can't verify if this is the 1500. I have a 03 RAM 5.7 HD 2500 Quad that literally does pull loads like this with no issues. I just pull up to the sand quarry and load up. Like wise with the gravel.

Oddly, the pix doesn't tell enough of the story. Is that trailer a single axle? Indeed it would then put too much tongue weight on the truck. 2 or 3 axle trailer is ideal.

 

[4570Man]

I tried to zoom in, but can't verify if this is the 1500. I have a 03 RAM 5.7 HD 2500 Quad that literally does pull loads like this with no issues. I just pull up to the sand quarry and load up. Like wise with the gravel.

Oddly, the pix doesn't tell enough of the story. Is that trailer a single axle? Indeed it would then put too much tongue weight on the truck. 2 or 3 axle trailer is ideal.

It’s a 1500 truck. It’s got 6 lug wheels.

 

[bmaverick]

It’s a 1500 truck. It’s got 6 lug wheels.

I should have known that, my bad. Actually bad for the guy who was making his 1500 act like a 2500.

The RAM 1500 is more like a toy. They have the looks and possibly the power, but no guts (suspension) to pull a heavy load. The 1500 can keep it's MDS to be a gas sipper, the real RAMs of 2500 & 3500 do the real work.

 

[BigBlue1]

I should have known that, my bad. Actually bad for the guy who was making his 1500 act like a 2500.

The RAM 1500 is more like a toy. They have the looks and possibly the power, but no guts (suspension) to pull a heavy load. The 1500 can keep it's MDS to be a gas sipper, the real RAMs of 2500 & 3500 do the real work.

I owned a 2010 Ram 1500. It was rated for just over 10,000lbs trailer towing. That's not really 'toy' class. But it certainly isn't as beefy as a 2500 or 3500. My current 2500 is much, much more beefy all around. It has a payload capacity of 3300lbs, and I have hauled just about that without issue in the bed. The 1500 was nowhere near that.

As for 'gas sipper', LOL! Only the light duty diesel in the 1500 can be considered that. The Hemi is THIRSTY!

Rob

 

[bmaverick]

I owned a 2010 Ram 1500. It was rated for just over 10,000lbs trailer towing. That's not really 'toy' class. But it certainly isn't as beefy as a 2500 or 3500. My current 2500 is much, much more beefy all around. It has a payload capacity of 3300lbs, and I have hauled just about that without issue in the bed. The 1500 was nowhere near that.

As for 'gas sipper', LOL! Only the light duty diesel in the 1500 can be considered that. The Hemi is THIRSTY!

Rob

Rob,
My neighbor has that MDS 5.7L hemi and gets 35MPG hwy with his 2012. He averages high 20s in mixed driving. The most he tows with it is a trailer with 2 seadoos. Thus, all I ever see these gas sippers do is pull 'toys'. Nothing really against that, but the 1500's are too light duty.

Glad you have a 2500. I've beefed up mine to a 14,000 tow rating. My trouble was, I couldn't find a 3500 in my area, thus had to upgrade the 2500 with more leafs and run 10-ply tires. The 3500 short bed cummins is about the same for the model year too. I basically copied it.

 

[4570Man]

Rob,
My neighbor has that MDS 5.7L hemi and gets 35MPG hwy with his 2012. He averages high 20s in mixed driving. The most he tows with it is a trailer with 2 seadoos. Thus, all I ever see these gas sippers do is pull 'toys'. Nothing really against that, but the 1500's are too light duty.

Glad you have a 2500. I've beefed up mine to a 14,000 tow rating. My trouble was, I couldn't find a 3500 in my area, thus had to upgrade the 2500 with more leafs and run 10-ply tires. The 3500 short bed cummins is about the same for the model year too. I basically copied it.

If your neighbors Hemi is getting 35 mpg than my V10 ford is getting 30. I think your neighbor can’t do math.

 

[bmaverick]

If your neighbors Hemi is getting 35 mpg than my V10 ford is getting 30. I think your neighbor can’t do math.

It's the MDS that takes the V8 to a V6 and then a V4. It shuts of cylinders while at cruising speeds. When power is needed, in 40 milliseconds the computer will switch those cylinders back on.

FCA's MDS.

What Is Hemi MDS?

We explain how Chrysler Hemi MDS cylinder deactivation works, what goes wrong, and how to fix it when it breaks.

www.motortrend.com

 

[4570Man]

A full size gasoline pickup still isn’t getting 35 mpg. Half that would be pretty good. The eco diesel isn’t even claimed to get that much. Why did they waste all the time and money to develop a diesel that burns more expensive fuel to get a claimed 32 mpg when a Hemi is getting 35 mpg? A diesel vehicle has historically gotten nearly double the mpg over a comparable gas burner.