Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much?

   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #41  
The 3pt lift arms should be designed to handle the weight the 3pt is rated for plus a safety factor. Anything less would be a failure of basic engineering. Of course one could have a manufacturing defect but that's unlikely. It's not something I worry about.

Getting the front end off the ground would be however. It's more common on CUTS to need rear ballast for weight on the loader but it sounds like you need front ballast. Maybe a load of rocks in your loader bucket if you have a loader.
So you’re saying that if I try to lift something really heavy with the 3ph, and I have plenty of ballast on the front to hold it down, the hydraulics will max out before the 3ph lift arms would break? I have always assumed that was true, but haven’t personally taken it to that point, therefore I asked.
 
   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #42  
The drawbar pull warning is not to be taken lightly. I have a cousin who was pulling a stump and this happened to him. Crushed pelvis, fractured liver, broken ribs, punctured lung. He nearly bled to death by the time someone found him. He was in ICU for several days and hospitalized for a couple weeks. LONG recovery. He survived, but has never been the same. I became much more aware and cautious after that.
I lost a friend exactly this way.
 
   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #43  
Argument for a (500-600 pound) ballast weight when heavy load in FEL.... JD weighs in at 520lbs according to JD manual...

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   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #44  
I completely understand the first picture. I don't understand the second picture. How is the JD staying level?!?!?

Doug in SW IA
 
   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #45  
Yeah - that's a mystery DL. I thought you had us with some Photoshop mastery, but it can't be. Interesting.

Note that DL's first picture shows that the tractor is teetering front to back. Which is bad, but might not hurt you. What is not easily evident is that the side-to side stability is being provided by the John Deere! The front axle is on its own pivot. A strong push or a gust of wind could have that tractor on its side. That's the way you can get hurt. Almost flipped my JD770 that way.

My advice to a newbie is this: A) Trust your gut. If you feel like something is sketchy, it is. B) Use common sense and physical awareness at all times. C) Don't allow bystanders to be anywhere near your field of destruction. D) Every time you fire up your tractor, it's going to be fun. Don't do anything stupid to mess that up.
 
   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #46  
Yeah - that's a mystery DL. I thought you had us with some Photoshop mastery, but it can't be. Interesting.

Note that DL's first picture shows that the tractor is teetering front to back. Which is bad, but might not hurt you. What is not easily evident is that the side-to side stability is being provided by the John Deere! The front axle is on its own pivot. A strong push or a gust of wind could have that tractor on its side. That's the way you can get hurt. Almost flipped my JD770 that way.

My advice to a newbie is this: A) Trust your gut. If you feel like something is sketchy, it is. B) Use common sense and physical awareness at all times. C) Don't allow bystanders to be anywhere near your field of destruction. D) Every time you fire up your tractor, it's going to be fun. Don't do anything stupid to mess that up.

Real issue here is with rear wheels very light contact with ground or off the ground ""NO BRAKES"" ( HST with inboard brakes) unless you are in 4WD and that puts all the braking energy into front differential...

There is a simple single bar bumper on JD that prevents me for banging grill/hood into trees and such, discovered by accident when Deere went dead ("runs like a dead deer") on back property the bumper wedges under lip of bucket.... So JD is actually wedged into bucket, also the overhang of deer put more weight (force) further out front and change the whole balance dynamics of tractor severely....
 
   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #47  
In the second picture take note of the added rear weight.
 
   / Will the CUT let you know you're asking too much? #48  
I learned most of my heavy lifting lessons at work, many years ago. Hard to believe in today's age with all the safety nannies we have, but when I started out if you wanted to learn how to operate a forklift you got on and learned on your own. There is some good to this and a lot of potential bad with his method of learning. But I survived and I never seriously hurt anyone. Equipment not so much lol. One of the most important factors to keep in mind with a forklift the front axle doesn't pivot. And this is a very good thing. But that still doesn't rule out the factors such as floor inconsistencies or if outside ground or pavement issues. The higher you lift a load the more dangerous it gets period. You learn really fast to go as slow as possible and to never lift a load higher than you have to. One of the most dangerous things I had to do back then was at times lift large long loads over two close-together buildings. You have to be extremely careful doing this. You have to watch the ground or road you are traveling over for any bad spots that could cause the load to shift from the lift tilting to one side or the other. At the same time, you have to watch the load to make sure it is high enough and not going to hit anything above you, which could be potentially even worse. A lot of the things I did back then would make today's safety nanny's heads explode lol.

So back to the tractor, it's a completely different animal. It generally steers the wheels you have the load lifted over. The front axle pivots side to side. And last, the tires aren't hard like forklifts. So there is some give in them also. All this adds up to a very unstable platform to be lifting anything high, even just the bucket empty. Also because my tractor is small I'm always in the situation of lifting things bigger and heavier than what would be ideal. So it's extremely important to be even more careful lifting anything with a tractor. There is a big reason farm accidents are way more prevalent than industrial accidents. Most farms have almost zero safety training and you learn by the seat of your pants. I got lucky way back then and never got hurt. You may or may not be so lucky.
 

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