Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Interesting Bloomberg interview with Mary Barra-GM,
and other insights into EV's

 
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Was listening to a gal on the radio opine about the costs of mining the rare earth minerals needed to manufacture electric cars.
To give a frame of reference on building batteries, she said we burn 19 billion gallons of fuel to fly all commercial aviation in one year and said it takes 21 billion gallons of fuel to mine the ores needed to build electric car batteries.
She went on to remind us much of the electric cars are built with plastics, requiring more petroleum to build them.
She also reminded the audience that mostly coal and natural gas power plants would need to increase production to charge them. The power plants cannot burn as cleanly as a modern low emissions car.
She also made note of the human cost and briefly discussed some of the diseases the folks who mine cobalt, she referred to one as being called “Cobalt Lung”.
She also said that the average car battery life was about 10 years and as of now, there’s little in the ability to recycle them.
She said she thinks the environmental and human costs are not worth it.
That particular article has been mentioned several times in various areas. If you break down the numbers used and assume they are accurate, it would mean the battery pack for a new BEV would cost around $40,000. Just for the batteries.
 
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It's not hard to argue that the "glitch" is actually the people.....

Cruise Control has been around since I was a kid. How many of the general public know when not to use it ?

Blindly Consume and Trust the Technology is the high-powered marketing that the masses have been fed. And, they listened; more importantly, obeyed and bought.

Now... they pay no attention.... to the Science behind the Curtain.......

Careful What You Wish For......

Rgds, D.
So "they" dumb the cars down to the lowest common denominator... and some take it to an even lower level.

Then again I could never drive in the traffic which some of you do on a daily basis. I'm used to open space, sometimes driving 20 miles or more without seeing another vehicle.
 
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That's going to change the rental business for years down the road.
I was just about to buy two more houses to rent out when these moratoriums came into play. I held off but am encouraged by the SCOTUS ruling, but it is not enough for me to do something yet, if ever. Unbelievable that these could ever even be enforced or legal for that matter. Sorry... back to the subject of EVs.............
 
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So "they" dumb the cars down to the lowest common denominator... and some take it to an even lower level.

Then again I could never drive in the traffic which some of you do on a daily basis. I'm used to open space, sometimes driving 20 miles or more without seeing another vehicle.
20+ miles.... sounds like a piece of heaven to me (y)

There are many reasons that commercial and other interests want to automate, well, everything. My concern (I've banged on about this in other threads) in Transportation is that you take a general public that is rather disengaged to begin with, market the acceptance of Nu Tek heavily, on many levels, and Then......

Once Things Go Wrong...... toss the Control/Responsibility/Liability back Over The Wall to same disengaged consumer.... many of whom today is only really interested in clearing the next 10,000 hour level spent cruising Facebook....

That ^, works, for Corporate Legal. Me, not so much....

Rgds, D.
 
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That particular article has been mentioned several times in various areas. If you break down the numbers used and assume they are accurate, it would mean the battery pack for a new BEV would cost around $40,000. Just for the batteries.
Always plenty of ways to play with the numbers.....

One possibility - perhaps that is close to the true cost.

Rgds, D.
 
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Interesting Bloomberg interview with Mary Barra-GM,
and other insights into EV's

Make room for Tesla confused me, so I started that to check the date.

The one clip (not that one) I remember Barra for is testifying before your govt that she (and by extension, GM) had no idea how the faulty ignition switch assemblies came to be.

Executives will often display Extreme Non-Ownership, when Things Go Wrong, but I expect better from an engineer. Which, I believe she is.

So, she piled up a few more grains of salt, than I normally start most people off with.....

Rgds, D.
 
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The Confirmation Bias is Strong in This EV Market.....

Given the lack of recycling capacity, this LG battery-recall alone is a logistics and Safety nightmare. How will these be stockpiled ?

How do you transport these condemned Lithium packs to a remote processing facility, once they get up and running ?

Even if you stacked them up in the desert, how long would that pile burn, once even one pack goes up ?

Rgds, D.
Maybe Musk can blast them on a 1 way ticket to the sun?
 
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Was listening to a gal on the radio opine about the costs of mining the rare earth minerals needed to manufacture electric cars.
"Rare Earths" are not rare. Marketing stroke of genius named them.

Furthermore the "rare earths" are not consumed. A used battery is a much richer source of materials than raw ore.

To give a frame of reference on building batteries, she said we burn 19 billion gallons of fuel to fly all commercial aviation in one year and said it takes 21 billion gallons of fuel to mine the ores needed to build electric car batteries.
We call this "pulling number out of one's a..." Lets say her numbers are accurate. Then how much petroleum is consumed in refining petroleum?
How much petroleum is consumed mining iron to make conventional cars & trucks?
Put things in proper perspective.

She went on to remind us much of the electric cars are built with plastics, requiring more petroleum to build them.
Golly, as if we never used plastic in an automobile before!

She also reminded the audience that mostly coal and natural gas power plants would need to increase production to charge them. The power plants cannot burn as cleanly as a modern low emissions car.
Coal plants need to stay hot at night to be ready to produce by morning. Nuclear too. There is at least 50% excess capacity at night which is the prime time to charge an EV (the "gas station" model does not work for EVs). Large industrial electrical consumers can get power for pennies/kWh at night due to the excess supply. If the plant has to be kept hot is better to get pennies for that energy than nothing.

T.O.U. billing is being forced on consumers in most of the country explicitly to charge more for electrical power during peak demand, less during low demand, in attempt to shift consumer demand away from prime time. To encourage use of things such as a Tesla Powerwall to charge at night in order to have less expensive power during peak demand.

Coal generated electricity powering a Tesla Model 3 is as clean as a 50 MPG Prius on gasoline. But the Tesla can effortlessly use solar, if that is what is available. Effortlessly use nuclear, hydro, wind, coal, natural gas, oil, whathaveyou. The Prius can not.

She also made note of the human cost and briefly discussed some of the diseases the folks who mine cobalt, she referred to one as being called “Cobalt Lung”.
Boo hoo hoo. Totally preventable. Just as with black lung.

She also said that the average car battery life was about 10 years and as of now, there’s little in the ability to recycle them.
There is a huge recycling effort in place. Minor problem is there are not that many lithium batteries in need of recycling.

She said she thinks the environmental and human costs are not worth it.
is most definitely not worth the government picking winners and losers. EVs were coming with or without government but we have little Napoleons looking for causes to get in front of pretending to be the leader for their own fame, fortune, and aggrandizement.
 
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