Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Larry Caldwell]

Al residential wiring was tried up here in the 70's. Total ____-show.

It was so bad that it had to be disclosed when selling a house. I haven't seen a Sale contract in decades, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't still there.

A guy I went to college with had it in his parent's house. His Dad (active-duty military; Get It Done) went through the entire house at least once a year, and re-tightened all the Al wiring connections.

Attractive for being cheaper, but the higher coefficient of thermal expansion can be a PITA.

Rgds, D.

The problem was not the wiring, the problem was using Cu-only devices. Once they converted all devices to Cu/Al and trained electricians in how to make connections, the problem disappeared.

 

[Hay Dude]

Your own bias keeps you from reading me correctly. You seem to think if an EV is not perfect for all applications it is not acceptable for any.

You missed my statements to the effect, "government picking winners and losers is wrong." That Electrify America is wrong in every way. Is very wrong for government to be building EV "gas stations". And wronger still where they are putting them.

You choose to view peak demand electrical shortages as proof there is not enough capacity to charge EVs while ignoring the surplus available at night. Or how night is the most desirable time to charge an EV even before the added benefit of available electrical power is considered.

Cobalt? How about lead? Nasty, poisonous stuff. About 40 pounds of it in your starter battery. But somehow greedy capitalists in search of profit have managed to recycle 98%. The same is occurring for EV batteries as well. You just don't see it because people such as this "journalist" you admire choose to F.U.D. you for their own gain.

Search for "George Will Prius Nickel" for the example I cited of a "famous journalist" getting it totally wrong.

Ok no need to hyperventilate your point! Lol
I think what I’m trying to add to the discussion is from an environmental standpoint. These EVs are being sold to the average person as a panacea. They are not. They are being sold as safe. They are not. They are being sold as environmentally friendly. They are not. They are being sold as practical. They are not.
You won’t get any strong arguments from me that ICE vehicles in their current form are the solution, either.
But to be forced into a defectively sold “EV for everyone” is a false flag. They are not.
In fact, they aren’t even close. And furthermore, these “news media” clowns need to stop making their owners look any better than the average slob driving an ICE vehicle getting average or better fuel economy.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don't agree with everything you say on this topic, but you are spot on here. Personally, I think a pure EV is limited in use for people outside a city. It should just be one among many options in our transition to alternate fuels. People who think we need to eliminate all use of fossil fuels are just as uninformed and shortsighted as those who decry any alternative as a bad idea. I am a fan of a hybrid approach to solutions. Enough either/or and more both/and.

EV, right now is best for applications where most daily drives are less than the capacity. A good hybrid is better for more people and does not require or expect the government to spend to make it worthwhile. If they make tractors that are EV, but still have at least the capability of a similarly sized diesel, I'd be all over it. Fewer mechanical parts are less likely to have problems. Tractors do not have to be away from the barn overnight (mostly). That means they can charge every night and work all day. I don't want it for any reason other than cost to my bottom line. When it makes sense economically, I'm there.

So if it’s a better “suburban/rural” fit, doesn’t it discriminate against city folk who are already hopelessly locked into higher air pollution and hotter microclimates?
Will selling these vehicles exclusively to mostly rich, white suburban and rural virtue signalers go over real well?

 

[Jstpssng]

So if it’s a better “suburban/rural” fit, doesn’t it discriminate against city folk who are already hopelessly locked into higher air pollution and hotter microclimates?
Will selling these vehicles exclusively to mostly rich, white suburban and rural virtue signalers go over real well?

20 years ago that was the sentiment about Prius drivers. As more people bought them the prices dropped. List price last year was less than I paid for a used, base model Colorado.

 

[Hay Dude]

20 years ago that was the sentiment about Prius drivers. As more people bought them the prices dropped. List price last year was less than I paid for a used, base model Colorado.

Yeah, but you know as well as I that even if a Prius or EV was 35K, thats way above the affordability of people scraping by with $5,000 cars

 

[Torvy]

Yeah, but you know as well as I that even if a Prius or EV was 35K, thats way above the affordability of people scraping by with $5,000 cars

Not many $5000 cars left. As hybrids and EVs become more and more common, they will become more affordable in the resale market. I just did a search on cars. About 3000 vehicles under $6000 within 500 miles of me. (Over 330k total cars for sale in that area) 1/6 of them are hybrids. +9 EVs. As they become more affordable, they are better for poor people because they use less fuel.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

BTW... I absolutely love my new hybrid F150. It would be a great vehicle for rich city folks wanting to get out to the country...

 

[Hay Dude]

Not many $5000 cars left. As hybrids and EVs become more and more common, they will become more affordable in the resale market. I just did a search on cars. About 3000 vehicles under $6000 within 500 miles of me. (Over 330k total cars for sale in that area) 1/6 of them are hybrids. +9 EVs. As they become more affordable, they are better for poor people because they use less fuel.

I just think its an immense, if not impossible burden on city folks. No affordability for years to come, no garage or parking spot to charge seemingly forever, and they live in the places where zero emissions is needed the most which is a claim that will be made by environmentalists until the end of times. .

 

[Torvy]

I know f150s are popular, but I need to find an old truck that will still work...like a pre-2007 Tundra. I don't need the biggest or fanciest. Truck will go around the property and tow the trailer into town and back. New trucks are way too fancy and high priced. Maybe in 10 years or so I can get a 22 or 23 Tundra plug in hybrid.

 

[Torvy]

I just think its an immense, if not impossible burden on city folks. No affordability for years to come, no garage or parking spot to charge seemingly forever, and they live in the places where zero emissions is needed the most which is a claim that will be made by environmentalists until the end of times. .

Only a burden if it is forced on them. I am 100% against governments forcing these things on people.