Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Jstpssng]

Another big reason for sales dip is the screwed up world, Toyota said big reduction in production due to they can’t get parts.

When that finally changes I predict that prices will go the other way a bit, as there will be a glut of new vehicles on the market. I feel bad for anybody who picked something up used this year, just to get them by.

(I also feel bad for anybody who bought a house in the last year...)

 

[MoKelly]

(I also feel bad for anybody who bought a house in the last year...)

Or own a home where property taxes are based on “market values”.

MoKelly

 

[Steppenwolfe]

There is a very good chance my children will own an EV at some point. I'm not sure if I will, but it's possible.

This thread is an interesting peek into how people must have resisted technological advances in the past.

2 to 3 years from now, on the next trade in on my wife's truck, it will most likely be an F150 Lightening. If they are still available...

 

[Steppenwolfe]

When that finally changes I predict that prices will go the other way a bit, as there will be a glut of new vehicles on the market. I feel bad for anybody who picked something up used this year, just to get them by.

(I also feel bad for anybody who bought a house in the last year...)

I traded my 2019 F150 Platinum with 38,000 miles ... got $53,500 for it.

 

[lman]

Cool, they will be paying me to take their electric vehicles, as I rarely spend over $20k for one.

I didn't know you could still get a new truck for $20,000.

 

[Hay Dude]

It will be interesting to see if vehicle ownership takes a big dip in the US. Roughly 8.7% of Americans do not have access to a vehicle, which has been more or less stable for the last three years. New Jersey vehicle registrations have dropped 33% between 2012 and 2018, while other states increased. The rise of driver-owned cab companies like Uber and Lyft has allowed many urban people to dispense with car ownership, at the cost of a little convenience.

The big threat to vehicle ownership I see is not the rise of the EV, it's the rise of vehicle prices. If an electric pickup is $20,000 cheaper than an ICE pickup, they will dominate the market.

Car Ownership Statistics in the U.S.

The rate of car ownership in the U.S. has been trending upward.

www.valuepenguin.com

Well Larry, an old Italian economics professor once told me when the government forces us to buy something (like an EV), and theres no alternative (like ICE vehicles) because theyve been made illegal to own, the manufacturers of the vehicles forced upon us will be VERY expensive.

 

[Hay Dude]

I'm on the fence with the EV revolution, but let's be fair......the government is not forcing people to buy EV's
So far, the EV orders (both CA and Bidens EO) state that no new ICE vehicles can be sold as of the effective date. The current orders do not require ICE owners to give up their cars.
However, operating an ICE vehicle after that date will be increasingly more difficult (parts availability) and expensive (parts, oil and gasoline)

So those increasing difficulties aren't in any way the government pressuring people of all walks of life, many of whom cannot live in an infrastructure conducive to EV charging (apartments, homeless, college students)?

You know, I have to laugh at everyone here shaming anyone who wants choices of EV or ICE into being knuckle draggers, but it made me think what a relief it was that my kids could finally have cars in college, so they could drive home on breaks, get what they need off campus, emergencies, etc.

Tell me, how will college students 500-1000 miles from home charge those EVs when theyre living in dorms far from home and the car must be parked in an outddoor lot on campus?

 

[Hay Dude]

We somehow managed to transition from the horse to the automobile. Not every issue and contingency has been resolved - yet. The move to EVs wont be a light switch moment. Whatever happens will take place oer time. That said, given the disruption of Tesla, and the direction of major auto manufacturers to EV - something's going to happen.

There is a very good chance my children will own an EV at some point. I'm not sure if I will, but it's possible.

This thread is an interesting peek into how people must have resisted technological advances in the past.

I am in no means resisting technological advances.
The thing Im resisting is forcing people to own something. Especially something 100's of millions cant actually own!
Far as I know, you can still ride a horse, they weren't forced to be discontinued.

 

[Hay Dude]

Count me in on the side of major concern as to how apartment dwellers and those that have on-street parking are going to charge their cars. We have many large apartment complexes here. Imagine the cost of running underground wiring to each parking spot in an apartment complex. Some people only have one car. Some have two. Some complexes only allow 2 with assigned parking. Some have no limits or assigned parking. Let's say you have 500 units and 1000 parking spaces. You have to provide 1000 chargers even though there might be some number between 500 and 1000 that only have 1 car.

Then there's the old houses converted into apartments. Anywhere from 1 to a dozen apartments in the house. It's all on-street parking. How are you going to even be sure you can get a parking spot with a charger when there's no assigned street parking.

Anyone remember wintertime parking in cities? Shovel out your spot. Walk around the corner to get your car and come back to find another car in your spot? Now ad a charger to that situation. Yikes!

Many obstacles/items to be thought out and implemented slowly. It can't be an overnight switch.

Id prefer those obstacles/items were thought out before we are forced or shamed into driving them.
Otherwise its a cluster _____.

 

[MossRoad]

Our opinion was our kids didn't need cars on campus. They are convenient, but they don't need them. University and city buses are free to most college students. Most campus security services will give kids rides home late at night for free. Kids don't need to come home all that often either. Both of our kids went carless the first few years at college. Even when they moved off campus the last year they still rode the city bus into campus because they didn't move far enough from school to qualify for a campus car pass.

With that said, there is no way they could have charged them in campus lots or at their apartments. Campus lots are generally the stadium, which is open. Think Walmart parking lot. No center medians down the center of the rows to install chargers. Their apartments were old houses with street parking. On football game days, as soon as you moved your car, your spot was almost immediately taken.