M vs. L series in 45-60 HP range

[Brambleberry]

All super helpful stuff, thanks everyone.

One thing I'm still curious about is the hydraulics--is there a general difference in hydraulic flow rate between L and M series? I see such a huge range of flow rates across the different years and models as I look at them. Not sure how much I'd need a higher flow rate, but it would be a nice option to have.

 

[Fallon]

All super helpful stuff, thanks everyone.

One thing I'm still curious about is the hydraulics--is there a general difference in hydraulic flow rate between L and M series? I see such a huge range of flow rates across the different years and models as I look at them. Not sure how much I'd need a higher flow rate, but it would be a nice option to have.

As usual that can be one of those funky things. Some flow rate stats are presented as total hydraulic flow, others as usable hydraulic flow. Most machines have 2 pumps, a single pump with 2 chambers & outputs or a single pump that goes to a priority or splitter valve. Any way you slice it 20-50% of system flow goes to steering (maybe brakes too) & isn't otherwise usable for a loader or other implements.

All the L60 Grand Ls have a little under 10gpm usable and around 15gpm total system flow. A MX5800 has less than 1gpm more on each of those numbers. A M7060 has about 2 more it looks like. Probably mot enough to notice. I bet the M loaders actually move slower due to larger cylinder volume.

 

[jeff9366]

(Generally speaking....) Tractor hydraulic flow is for intermittent, not continuous use. Steering, FEL movement, hydraulic tilt, hydraulic Top Link control, scarifier extension/retraction etc. Power for implements is provided mechanically, through the PTO shaft.

The exception are Orchard & Vineyard tractors, which have high capacity hydraulic pumps to continuously operate high capacity sprayers.



Skid Steer pumps are relatively high capacity for much greater flow to continually power hydraulically operated implements which are mechanically continuously powered on a tractor. Skid Steers do not have a PTO.

 

[jeff9366]

If HST I think power would be barely noticeable over the geared MF as well, but an L series would be at a real disadvantage compared the the MF I think.

I want something a little more powerful to run my flail mower without bogging down.

Transmission choice will have no effect on power transmission to PTO powered implements.

 

[ptsg]

I want something a little more powerful to run my flail mower without bogging down.

Transmission choice will have no effect on power transmission to PTO powered implements.

If stationary. Like a PTO generator, a chipper or something.

Once it start moving, that were the differences between transmissions will be very noticeable. One can't really mow anything just sitting still, right?

 

[sea2summit]

I want something a little more powerful to run my flail mower without bogging down.

Transmission choice will have no effect on power transmission to PTO powered implements.

Jeff, you feeling okay? You're slipping today.

From the OP

I've been looking for a used Kubota to upgrade from my old Ferguson to35 that is accumulating too many problems.

I'm wanting something a little more powerful to run my flail mower without bogging down, possibility of haying in the future, and strong 3pt to lift those occasional loads that my Bobcat 743 skidsteer (1300lb roc) can't do.

4wd is a must since I'm dealing with hilly terrain.

 

[LD1]

ANy of the larger L's, the MX or the small M's will be leaps and bounds ahead of an old ferguson.

The MX IS a good bridge between the L's and the M's. But once you get above the 5060 model....they are basically the same tractor...the GrandL's just cost more because all the bells and whistles. But they ride on the same sized AG tires. (There is a difference in the R4's though) as the MX has 12-16.5 and the Grand L's are 10's.

You havent mentioned your transmission of choice though. IF HST is important to you, that CANNOT be had in an M. The Larger GL's and the MX are as big as kubota goes with a HST. I am dreaming of a day when I can get a HST tractor riding on larger 20" or 24" front rims

 

[sea2summit]

You havent mentioned your transmission of choice though. IF HST is important to you, that CANNOT be had in an M. The Larger GL's and the MX are as big as kubota goes with a HST. I am dreaming of a day when I can get a HST tractor riding on larger 20" or 24" front rims

The shuttle shift on the M4 is basically a HST in your hand. But he's on a manual tractor now so a clutch wont be mystery...unlike most kids these days.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

The exception are Orchard & Vineyard tractors, which have high capacity hydraulic pumps to continuously operate high capacity sprayers.

What brand/model orchard/vineyard tractors are you talking about??

None of the orchard/vineyard tractors sold around here have larger hydraulic pumps than the other same size farm models, including mine!

SR

 

[jeff9366]

I passed 25 years in the employ of two Calfornia wineries.

At both wineries the O&V tractors were Deeres.