My Industrial Cabin Build

[WoodChuckDad]

We dropped another video this morning. Pulled the last of the Pex.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

The Fergusons in the main metro were really bad. I mean they would literally bark at you to get out as we don't sell to your kind here. It was ridiculous. We had one of them that was situatued outside the metro in a more rural area near me and those guys were willing to work with you. ...Until recently... They said they got word from on high to stop doing that I guess. But if your local ones will work with you then they are good. That attitude that we got just really ticked me off a lot. I have money and want to give it to you but you won't take it? Really???

Yea, you sometimes wonder. But then again, sometimes it don’t pay to interactive with some of the Harry homeowners who don’t know what they need, and will try one thing, return it, try something else, etc. I can see the supply house point of view. They normally fix that with a 20% restocking fee.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

So I went by the drilling place in Louisa today. Drilling service Inc. I told the guy I was building a house and I was ready to hook up the well told him what volume of water I needed what my expected usage was going to be said I was trying to appropriately sized the pump for the well. He said “are you a contractor? “
I said “No, there are no contractors. I built the house myself. “
And he said “well ,we only sell to contractors we can’t sell you anything. That’s a corporate decision. “. So I need to find some other place to get the stuff that I need for the pump and the line otherwise I’m stuck with just buying stuff from the big box stores. I am sure that I can find someone online to get the stuff from that might just be what I do and buy it and have it shipped. But my intention was to do business with a local company and keep my money local.
I have run into this sort of thing before. When I’ve tried to sell a house by myself I got a lot of pushback and sort of an aggressive negative nature from realtors. I’ve had the same situation with lawyers when I was trying to do something myself there are a lot of things that you can do yourself if you’re allowed to but there are certain industries that try to lock the common person out of being able to do anyThing without the paid assistance of somebody in that industry. I have no problem whatsoever with paying the going price for a good or service that I need to get from somebody but the idea that I can walk into the store that sells the place and they won’t sell it to me unless I pay a middleman a 30 or 60% mark up Just does not sit well.

I AM a contractor, and still buy online for better pricing. Do some research and shopping, screw that "local" business.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Yea, you sometimes wonder. But then again, sometimes it don’t pay to interactive with some of the Harry homeowners who don’t know what they need, and will try one thing, return it, try something else, etc. I can see the supply house point of view. They normally fix that with a 20% restocking fee.

You just nailed it...

 

[deezler]

Our home building contractor and architect sent my wife and I to our local Ferguson to make our plumbing selections during our build. The sink Moen and Kohler faucets were all listed at $200 plus apiece. We walked out, drove home, and went to build.com and bought the exact same fixtures for 25% of the Ferguson prices instead.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

Our home building contractor and architect sent my wife and I to our local Ferguson to make our plumbing selections during our build. The sink Moen and Kohler faucets were all listed at $200 plus apiece. We walked out, drove home, and went to build.com and bought the exact same fixtures for 25% of the Ferguson prices instead.

Two years ago I remodeled all the bathrooms in my house; master, half, and four others in bedrooms. I did the exact same thing with the Kohler bath fixtures and a soaking tub for wifey. Saved huge dollars at Build.com and Wayfair, believe it or not...

 

[Carl_NH]

Based on static water at 56' a pump set at 185-190' or 20-25' off the bottom should work well. As over time sediment from drilling and with water inflow - sand etc. will settle to the bottom, and your main water seam is at 130-140 depth so you will be pumping on average around 100-120' depth most likely.

Most pumps are 4" diameter, 230VAC, and then you can get 2 Wire pumps (start capacitor and controls in the pump) or three wire pump (with a control box/start capacitors in the house). For serviceability best to go 3 wire with the above ground control box, though 2 wire pumps last a long time too.

As far as pumps, you could get by with a 1/2HP pump - 5 GPM, set at 190' and this will pump 5 GPM or so across the 40-60 PSI pressure and depth range. If you bump up to a 3/4 HP pump you will yield about 7 GPM average - enough two people to shower at once (unless you have one of those multi head showers).

Talking pump life - starts - you want to minimize starts as that's what kills pump motors, so you can put in a decent size tank drawdown of 15 gallons (2 min run time @ 7 GPM) then you can install a cycle stop valve (CSV) later too which will keep the pump running longer as long as there is demand.

Wire size - depending on the run from the house panel to the switch, then to the well head and pump, #12 3 Wire will run a 3/4 HP up to about 450' total (to the pump). A 3/4 HP is around 10-12 start amps and 7 running amps.

As others have said, run UF to the pump head, and sub pump wire in the well. You can read a lot more in the attached Goulds pump manual - it's not an advertisement for Goulds but a general guideline for pump installation wire sizing and more.

Then an example quote today on a system with a 3/4 Goulds pump example and most everything you would need $2500 range based on a pump set at 200' and the well being 200' from the house. Hope this info helps you in your research.

Hello David,

This referring back to post 2497 regarding your pump selection and options. It's always preferred to buy from your local suppliers but if they don't/won't then buy on line and install it yourself. I have used You are being redirected... as a source for pumps, pipe and systems and as posted with a materials list, a full pump setup was around $2500. as posted.

 

[dstig1]

Yea, you sometimes wonder. But then again, sometimes it don’t pay to interactive with some of the Harry homeowners who don’t know what they need, and will try one thing, return it, try something else, etc. I can see the supply house point of view. They normally fix that with a 20% restocking fee.

I do understand that point. But there are many of us out here that actually have a clue as to what we are doing. Now I might ask them which tubing is best for this of their options, but that is about it. Mostly i know what i want and why. You can make the point that we are not here to hold your hand but if you know what you want, sell it to them! And it still does not require being a total jacka$$ to potential customers, no matter what. This here is 'Murrica!!!

Two years ago I remodeled all the bathrooms in my house; master, half, and four others in bedrooms. I did the exact same thing with the Kohler bath fixtures and a soaking tub for wifey. Saved huge dollars at Build.com and Wayfair, believe it or not...

And believe it or not Build.com is owned by the very same Ferguson... Go figger...

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I had the same problem at an A/C supplier. Needed a fan motor, blade....wouldn't sell it to me.

So I went to another place and bought them, also got a spare set of contacts and a capacitor. Was glad to give them my business.

SupplyHouse.com (I've had good luck with these guys too)

 

[dstig1]

Watched the video - I kept wondering why you got your doors so early. Now you are talking about putting them in before drywall???? You got some weird doors that need to be installed first? Doors - along with all fiished trim and woodwork - go in AFTER drywall and paint, not before. Not sure what you are doing/planning???