buckeyefarmer
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It’s clean coal, you keep messing it up
Never seen coal sludge growing up in coal country. And they do plug up streams to build shopping centers.
Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.
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It’s clean coal, you keep messing it up
Never seen coal sludge growing up in coal country. And they do plug up streams to build shopping centers.
I get the marketing angle(s) being played (Plaid) here, but my interest is more the other end of the spectrum....
Apologies if this has been up already lately....
I found it technically interesting, and if they can hit that production cost (?, since they went broke last time around, but kudos on sticking with it....) , I can see it selling to the segment that wants to buy efficiency.
Rgds, D.
Some of my usual sarcasm shining thru there....
Though.... methane digesters are pretty old news, enough so to be a plot element of Beyond Thunderdome back when....
Current newz cycles..... cows belching had play, but some of that may also be just anti-meat vectoring.....
Rgds, D.
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Not exactly the same as a shopping center.
A toxic crisis in America’s coal country
BBC News, Wyoming County, West Virginia
Published
11 February 2019
Image caption, A bathroom of a home stained by polluted water near a coal mine in West Virginia
In the shadow of some of America's most controversial coal mines, where companies use huge amounts of explosives to blow the tops off mountains, isolated communities say their water has been poisoned.
Now, they must decide if they will fight back against an industry they have relied upon for generations.
Casey wears a one-dollar wedding ring now. She bought the blue plastic band after her original ring was ruined by the toxic water that has been pumping into her home for more than a decade.
"I just needed something there," she says, as she holds the replacement ring up to the light. "I felt empty without it." She places her original wedding band, now discoloured and corroded, in her palm. Her skin, especially on her hands, has become coarse and sore.
The taps in her house have been worn down, her washing machine frequently stops working, and her bathroom and kitchen have been stained a deep, bloody orange by the pollutants - iron, sulphur, even arsenic - that have seeped into her home's water supply.
This is Appalachia - the heart of America's coal country. It is home to some of the poorest and most isolated communities in the US and the legacy of mining, be it the abandoned processing plants or the scarred landscape, can be seen dotted alongside its vast highways.
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At the sprawling mine in the neighbouring valley, millions of pounds of explosives are being detonated on the mountaintops so that coal, buried deep below the surface, can be excavated.
This process is a type of surface mining known as mountaintop removal, and has drawn the ire not only of nearby residents but of environmental groups who say it devastates the landscape and pollutes the waterways.
One study estimates that an area the size of the state of Delaware has been flattened by this type of coal mining since it was first practised in the 1970s.
Another report by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimates that more than 2,000 miles of streams - a distance longer than the Mississippi river - have been buried by the excess rock and soil (known as overburden) that is dumped after the explosions.
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"When you dump a lot of overburden into the valley, and start covering up streams, you have water sources that end up travelling through the [waste] material,' says Professor Michael McCawley, an environmental engineer who has spent time researching the health impacts of mountaintop removal.
"It's kind of like dumping geological trash," he explains. "It ends up increasing the concentration of acidic ions and metals [in the water], things like arsenic and nickel."
This pollution, according to his research, has taken a catastrophic toll on the health of those whose water supply lies in its path.
A toxic crisis in America’s coal country
A toxic crisis in America’s coal country
By Gareth EvansBBC News, Wyoming County, West Virginia
Published
11 February 2019
Image caption, A bathroom of a home stained by polluted water near a coal mine in West Virginia
In the shadow of some of America's most controversial coal mines, where companies use huge amounts of explosives to blow the tops off mountains, isolated communities say their water has been poisoned.
Now, they must decide if they will fight back against an industry they have relied upon for generations.
Casey wears a one-dollar wedding ring now. She bought the blue plastic band after her original ring was ruined by the toxic water that has been pumping into her home for more than a decade.
"I just needed something there," she says, as she holds the replacement ring up to the light. "I felt empty without it." She places her original wedding band, now discoloured and corroded, in her palm. Her skin, especially on her hands, has become coarse and sore.
The taps in her house have been worn down, her washing machine frequently stops working, and her bathroom and kitchen have been stained a deep, bloody orange by the pollutants - iron, sulphur, even arsenic - that have seeped into her home's water supply.
This is Appalachia - the heart of America's coal country. It is home to some of the poorest and most isolated communities in the US and the legacy of mining, be it the abandoned processing plants or the scarred landscape, can be seen dotted alongside its vast highways.
....................
At the sprawling mine in the neighbouring valley, millions of pounds of explosives are being detonated on the mountaintops so that coal, buried deep below the surface, can be excavated.
This process is a type of surface mining known as mountaintop removal, and has drawn the ire not only of nearby residents but of environmental groups who say it devastates the landscape and pollutes the waterways.
One study estimates that an area the size of the state of Delaware has been flattened by this type of coal mining since it was first practised in the 1970s.
Another report by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) estimates that more than 2,000 miles of streams - a distance longer than the Mississippi river - have been buried by the excess rock and soil (known as overburden) that is dumped after the explosions.
.........................................................
"When you dump a lot of overburden into the valley, and start covering up streams, you have water sources that end up travelling through the [waste] material,' says Professor Michael McCawley, an environmental engineer who has spent time researching the health impacts of mountaintop removal.
"It's kind of like dumping geological trash," he explains. "It ends up increasing the concentration of acidic ions and metals [in the water], things like arsenic and nickel."
This pollution, according to his research, has taken a catastrophic toll on the health of those whose water supply lies in its path.
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I cut 50-60 telephone pole size locust trees for firewood every year for the past 11-12 years. That provides about 6 cords of firewood. So, I've removed 5-600 trees from our 20 acres and you can't even tell.If you have 100 acres of trees, and clear 2 acres every year for 50 years then you are growing as much wood as you are burning. By the time that you cut the last 2 acres, the trees growing where you cut 50 years ago have replaced them.
It's not a perfect exchange unless you are using a bowsaw and hand maul to cut it up, then hauling the wood out with a donkey and cart. There really is no such thing as a perpetual motion machine.
The only way that would work with coal is if you only dug as much coal as is produced in a year.
Oil is not from dinosaurs BTW...
We take that one step further. My employer manages someplace north of a million acres in this state. We cut 10% less than what the land is estimated to be growing, to compensate for excesses from years gone by. Every ten years we "cruise" the ground to make sure that our growth estimates are accurate.
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People buying ICE vehicles are still subsidizing people buying Teslas, due to government imposed regulations that require ICE vehicle manufacturers to purchase emission "credits" from EV manufacturers.
Tesla just recently showed their first annual profit, and even that was enabled by the flow of money from ICE manufacturers. Tesla has yet to manage to build cars for less money than they sell them.
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Going for Master of FUD?
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No choice but to share the road with ICE or EV vehicles because here, at least, E-Bike must be limited to 20 mph to use the MUP. They are a danger for pedestrian.
So is hydro electricity. It's the sun that heats up the water from the ocean and bring it over terrain for it flow back into the rivers where the damns are.
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I'm sorry. I don't know what you are saying.Going for Master of FUD?
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