Share Pics of People Hauling or Towing Something Wrong

[RoostersGarage]

I think this might have been the truck? F250/F350? Pretty well shredded now.

Looks like a fire over the front tire. I drive a 3/4 ton truck as my daily and per our state regs, even if I hook to a trailer that puts me in CDL weight, as long as I'm not making money I'm excluded from CDL regulations. Not sure the state laws there but this was clearly a pleasure boat. I wonder if it was a company truck. That would put it in CDL category.

 

[Renze]

That's a pretty big boat and the trailer certainly needed brakes. If they weren't functional that is a recipe for disaster.

I wonder what the article meant by 'overweight boat'? I doubt the boat/trailer was above the towing capacity for that F350, but maybe they meant overweight for not having trailer brakes?

As a long time member from Europe, over the years i got used to people asking here whether they should order a new trailer with brakes on one, or on two axles. Or claiming that they dont need trailer brakes because they tow a half ton load with a 3/4 ton, assuming that 4 pickup truck tires can transfer the same brake force to the road surface as 8 truck and trailer wheels combined...

 

[4570Man]

As a long time member from Europe, over the years i got used to people asking here whether they should order a new trailer with brakes on one, or on two axles. Or claiming that they dont need trailer brakes because they tow a half ton load with a 3/4 ton, assuming that 4 pickup truck tires can transfer the same brake force to the road surface as 8 truck and trailer wheels combined...

This isn’t hardly the same comparison because there’s a more difference in trucks but my F-750 will stop faster with the trailer brakes off than my F-250 can stop the same load with the trailer brakes functioning.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

That appears to be a pretty heavy frame on that trailer, but how does an F-350 with that boat and trailer require a CDL? Federal regulations seem to say a combination over 26,000 requires a CDL but I doubt the truck, trailer, boat GVW exceeded that weight.
I also have to wonder if the driver had it in tow/haul mode. My F-250 gasser did a pretty decent job pf controlling speed coming off the North Cascades loaded at 16,000 GVW, I seldom touched the brakes.

 

[ultrarunner]

Only guess... trailer 10,000+?

Is the trailer 3 axle?

 

[ning]

Looks to me that a class B is required for a trailer with a weight rating over 10k; that boat trailer looks pretty heavy duty - maybe it's over 10k rated?

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

The photo of the trailer is from in front, but it appears to be 3 or more axles. It's to poor a photo to tell

 

[bcp]

From:

NHP: Driver charged after overweight boat, brake failure caused fatal Carson City crash

The driver of a pickup hauling a large boat has been charged after he ran through an intersection, killing two and injuring nine others in Carson City, NHP said.

www.rgj.com

"It was overweight. This boat was a five-axle trailer that weighed about 38,000 pounds and there was no reason for this trailer to be on the road," Caster said. "It wasn't able to stop and we're suspecting brake failure leading to him going through that intersection and tragically killing two people."

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From:

Driver in deadly south Carson City crash jailed on multiple charges - Carson Now

The driver involved in a deadly multi-vehicle crash Tuesday in South Carson City was booked on multiple charges, according to the Nevada Highway Patrol.

carsonnow.org

"The crash involved a Ford F-350, in which the driver, Gonzalez, was hauling an approximately 38,000 pound boat and trailer. The crash at the intersection resulted in the boat dislodging from the vehicle, according to NHP. The boat was located a significant distance from initial impact was removed overnight by the use of a crane.


NHP investigators said the incident involved an overweighted vehicle that is suspected to have had brake failure and is believed to be a contributing factor in the crash."



Bruce

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

From the FMCSA web site.

Class A: Any combination of vehicles which has a gross combination weight rating or gross combination weight of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) whichever is greater, inclusive of a towed unit(s) with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of more than 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) whichever is greater.

Class B: Any single vehicle which has a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight that does not exceed 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).

Class C: Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.



The federal regulations seem to set the 10,000 pound limit on class B licenses issued for driving something like a 3 axle truck like a lumber delivery or dump truck, not a pickup. California seems to have set it's own standards judging by the previous post. No wonder there is so much confusion with the 10,000 limit varying from state to state.

 

[ning]

California seems to have set it's own standards judging by the previous post.

I posted regulations from Nevada, seeing as how the quoted officer was referencing Nevada law.

https://dmvnv.com/pdfforms/dlbookabj.pdf