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   / Bad news big repair #21  
Being a vehicle tech for many years, sometimes an overlay is the easiest method. In this case, a simple pushbutton switch wired through a suitable relay to the glow plugs seems to be the answer. The original plug wiring is there, snip and attach as necessary. Terminate the original. Alternately, a diode could be installed into the original wire to prevent feedback to the ecu while using the added circuit so the ecu doesn't get confused.
 
   / Bad news big repair #22  
The ECU reads the air and water temp sensors and they are both part of the glow plug wiring circuit and it has been stated that if the relays are bypassed, the tractor derates itself.
So how do you bypass all that and “simply install a switch”?
Leave the sensors alone, For that matter leave the relays alone. Leave everything as it is. Now install your own 70 amp relay, whose one side of the coil goes to the ignition +12 volt buss, the other side of the coil goes to a momentary push button that goes to ground, With the ignition key on, press and hold the button for 15 seconds, release it, start engine, and post glow by pressing the button for about 10 seconds after the engine runs. release button. Obviously the contacts of the relay go to the battery and the glow plug buss. It doesn't get any simpler than this. Obviously remove and store the original leads going to the glow plug buss. You don't care what the ECU is doing, what the sensors are doing or even what the original relays are doing.
 
   / Bad news big repair #24  
There is a slim chance if a specific capacitor or transistor can be identified as the culprit it can be replaced by an electronics repair shop.
When I was working at the car dealer workshop, we had a man who could repair the ECUs or injection computers of old cars at low cost.

I'd look for such a guy nearby.
 
   / Bad news big repair #25  
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ECU price $6000 :(
ECU Not returnable and no guarantee it will fix glow plugs.

...
Even if Kubota does the work? Ouch. We had a lot of machines at the newspaper that had proprietary boards. If we bought them, and it didn't resolve the issue, or we fried them, no returns. If we called a service tech in, and they fried them, no charge.

Cheap alternative to get by until a resolution might be to point a blow dryer down the intake for 10 minutes.
 
   / Bad news big repair #26  
You could always install a hose heater in the lower
radiator hose then you would have a nice warm
tractor should start right away.
OR
build a fire under to warm her up?:rolleyes:

willy
 
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She sits outside quite often with spreader tractor. Gets pretty cold
 
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Leave the sensors alone, For that matter leave the relays alone. Leave everything as it is. Now install your own 70 amp relay, whose one side of the coil goes to the ignition +12 volt buss, the other side of the coil goes to a momentary push button that goes to ground, With the ignition key on, press and hold the button for 15 seconds, release it, start engine, and post glow by pressing the button for about 10 seconds after the engine runs. release button. Obviously the contacts of the relay go to the battery and the glow plug buss. It doesn't get any simpler than this. Obviously remove and store the original leads going to the glow plug buss. You don't care what the ECU is doing, what the sensors are doing or even what the original relays are doing.
Understood, but if you cut the wire going to the glow plugs and splice-in an alternate source like you suggest, doesn’t the ECU detect a fault and derate?
I discussed this very idea last year with an ex military equipment tech, and he thought the ECU would detect a fault and derate
 
   / Bad news big repair #29  
When I was working at the car dealer workshop, we had a man who could repair the ECUs or injection computers of old cars at low cost.

I'd look for such a guy nearby.
Yes the older boards are easy with just transistors and capacitors. Once you get into Integrate Circuits it gets tricky fast.
 

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