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Good Day All - this winter I’ll finish rebuilding a 1953 Ferguson TEA-20 and am looking for my next project. One candidate available to me is a seized 1961 3010. My question is - can a component amateur mechanic rebuild one of these? I already know parts cost can be an issue but would I need special tools and equipment to do the job?
Thanks
 
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Repairing engine on JD 3010 isn't that complicated. I suggest to acquire a JD 3000 tech manual if you don't already have one.
 
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Repairing engine on JD 3010 isn't that complicated. I suggest to acquire a JD 3000 tech manual if you don't already have one.
Thanks - what do you think about the drive train?
 
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What about the drive train? Thought this was an engine problem.
 
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Good Day All - this winter I’ll finish rebuilding a 1953 Ferguson TEA-20 and am looking for my next project. One candidate available to me is a seized 1961 3010. My question is - can a component amateur mechanic rebuild one of these? I already know parts cost can be an issue but would I need special tools and equipment to do the job?
Thanks

Hello Brian. I'm an old mechanic and been around tractors and rebuilds for over 50 years.

First of all, congratulations on rebuilding the Ferguson. That's a nice place to start.

On the 3010, is it a gas engine? They came as gas or diesel. You already have experience with gas engine with the T-20, and diesel rebuilds are much more exacting and expensive than gas engines. A home mechanic can often get an old gas engine running decently, but a diesel rebuild is a specialty job. So I would stay with gas.

And you would do better in my opinion to rebuild a JD3020 than a JD3010. Many more 3020s were made, in my opinion it is a better tractor throughout , and it was made for long enough that parts should be more available.
A 3020 could be a keeper even by today's standards. And many were sold with gasoline engines.

There are some good old tractors out there, our old one is a 1958 JD530. Not a well known model, but at the end of JD's two cylinder tractors they built the 520/530 and 620/630 for just a couple of years - both models have old style vintage engines and transmissions but modern power steering, hydraulics, electrics, FEL, good seating, and a modern 3pt hitch.
Parts are very available for older 2 cylinder JDs, too.

If you can, you will do better with any rebuilt to start with an old one that runs but is worn & has some needs instead of one that is broken.
Good luck with it.
rScotty
 
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If tractor happened to be relocated very far by towing without putting trans gear selector in "tow position" it highly possible that some gears on trans top shaft have galled cause trans to be stuck in gear. JD 3010/3020 engines are orphan engines only utilized in the aforementioned agriculture tractor models plus model 500 industrial tractors.
 
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rScotty
Small correction to your statement JD 3010/3020 tractors were offered with diesel,gasoline & "LPG" fueled engines
 
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If tractor happened to be relocated very far by towing without putting trans gear selector in "tow position" it highly possible that some gears on trans top shaft have galled cause trans to be stuck in gear. JD 3010/3020 engines are orphan engines only utilized in the aforementioned agriculture tractor models plus model 500 industrial tractors.

There's a lot of tractors out there, and I sympathize with the OP because there was a time when I really looked forward to the next rebuilding project.
I finally figured out that choosing the right project was the key.
For me to enjoy it the machine has to be top of the line with as many accessories as possible right from the start. Then I like to make it work right. And I like old paint and sound metal better than new paint and putty. But that's just me....

I've got a friend who only rebuilds old British single cylinder motorcycles. He doesn't ever repaint. Another likes Farmalls - he always repaints. And another only does FJ model Toyota LandCruisers mechanical systems.

What JD tractor would you choose for a rebuilding project to end up with a usable keeper?
rScotty
 
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How is that a correction?
My aging eyesight only saw you state diesel & gasoline powered 3000 series engines but you didn't mention LPG AKA propane powered
 
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What JD tractor would you choose for a rebuilding project to end up with a usable keeper?
rScotty
I'm not fond of the JD rowcrop 10 series pto speed change gears/tiny shift pins so my vote would be for 20 series such as 3020/4020
 
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My aging eyesight only saw you state diesel & gasoline powered 3000 series engines but you didn't mention LPG AKA propane powered
Oh, I see. Yes, it could be interpreted that way. Aging is something I'm all too aware of.
For myself I kind of like propane. It's clean and tidy and old propane engines always seem cleaner with less wear on metals and on seals - especially so compared with modern gasoline.

But a propane engine is not something I'd recommend for a person with limited experience working on an unknown system indoors - i.e. winter in Alberta. Not that gasoline is all that great, but at least it is familiar.

But what about diesel? I'd say that for myself, if I was to get into an old tractor with diesel I'd do so without much worry if the tractor already had a good-running diesel in it. I probably wouldn't tackle a large older tractor with a broken diesel engine. I'd rather do a transmission....
rScotty
 
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I'm not fond of the JD rowcrop 10 series pto speed change gears/tiny shift pins so my vote would be for 20 series such as 3020/4020

The thing about the 4020 is it is just more tractor than most people have a use for. But they sure were/are popular. I've heard there are still repair shops that work on 4020s almost exclusively. A classic...but a big one.
They weigh as much as our Kubota. :)
rScotty
 
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But what about diesel? I'd say that for myself, if I was to get into an old tractor with diesel I'd do so without much worry if the tractor already had a good-running diesel in it. I probably wouldn't tackle a large older tractor with a broken diesel engine. I'd rather do a transmission....
rScotty
On subject of fuel choices after diesel I'd prefer LPG over gasoline. JD 4 & 6 cylinder rowcrop engines such as 3010/3020 posess don't perform well utilizing gasoline with ethanol in it . JD trans such as the Syncro-range is not a trans that I'd suggest for a novice technician to attempt to repair. Many special tools are required. I still remember how frustrating it was installing the four(4) springs & balls inside the synchronizer hub even when utilizing the """special cone""". Also dummy shafts are needed for installing bottom shaft in SR trans.
 
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Well, you have to have a gasoline engine to run either or both. Diesel engine wont do.
 
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Well, you have to have a gasoline engine to run either or both. Diesel engine wont do.
I disagree that gasoline & propane powered engines are the same. Normally propane engines have higher compression & hardened cylinder head valve seats vs gasoline engines. I agree propane can be utilized in an engine designed for gasoline but propane won't provide the same power as gasoline in a normal gasoline powered engine. FYI some engines that were powered by gasoline can also be powered by diesel. Many yrs ago for kicks & giggles I operated my JD BO on diesel that the engine was designed to operate on distalites or gasoline. Propane has been utilized in addition to diesel in a diesel engine to increase horsepower.
 
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Lets just say spark plug engines and non spark plug engines.
 
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Lets just say spark plug engines and non spark plug engines.
Some older IHC diesel engines had both spark plugs & injectors. Spark plugs on one side of cylinder head & injectors on opposite side. They starting operating on gasoline & switched over to operating on diesel
 

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