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The net cannot store energy. It can transfer energy from areas with excess generated capacity.
Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.
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This is a BMW hybrid charging a Tesla.
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It surely can store energy...I will give you an example.
I was the economist on the board for our electric company when Amazon and Microsoft wanted to open a series of server farms here. These require so much energy to operate and chose Wyoming for it's cheap power (coal) and access to fiber optic distribution lines. My committee on the board was tasked with figuring out the load factoring and if there was enough capacity to operate these places in both peak and off peak times. Well there was not enough capacity. The bottle neck was not at the source of generation, but the capacity in the high tension cable distribution network. In order to supply the energy those companies needed, we had to add another high tension wire line to add storage capacity for times of high demand.
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If you look at a basic generator like this one has three outlet connections. Generator is the power source, wires distribute.
If you connect a refrigerator to one extension cord everything is fine. Trying to tap off that for other things overloads, trips breaker, etc.
Other things you have to run separate extension cords to work properly.
If you connect a refrigerator to one extension cord everything is fine. Trying to tap off that for other things overloads, trips breaker, etc.
Other things you have to run separate extension cords to work properly.
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They make wireless chargers for cell phones. It charges by induction, a coil of wire in both similar to a transformer in principle.
I can see a day when that technology is used in cars & trucks, wire coils in roads so the EV still has batteries but a short range is fine since it's only used on roads without coils.
The EV could be driven coast to coast nonstop since it charges as it goes.
Just like today's electric meters can be read remotely the same could be used for the EV, the owner would be billed based on usage or miles driven.
I can see a day when that technology is used in cars & trucks, wire coils in roads so the EV still has batteries but a short range is fine since it's only used on roads without coils.
The EV could be driven coast to coast nonstop since it charges as it goes.
Just like today's electric meters can be read remotely the same could be used for the EV, the owner would be billed based on usage or miles driven.
Doughknob
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HUH? "lines" do not store energy. What are you talking about?
Snobdds
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JFC...read it. Learn it.
There is 24.6 GWH of storage in the Grid.
I did post this a page ago, so there is no excuse for ignorance.
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Doughknob
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I think I am dealing with something other than ignorance in you pal. You obviously do not understand much. Below is an excerpt from you link? It says nothing about "lines" storing energy. What are you missing in your own link?
At present, the U.S. has about 24.6GW (approx. 2.3% of total electric production
capacity) of grid storage, 95% of which is pumped storage hydro.1 Europe and Japan
have notably higher fractions of grid storage. Pursuit of a clean energy future is
motivating significantly increased storage development efforts in Europe and Asia, as
well as the U.S.
Energy storage technologies—such as pumped hydro, compressed air energy storage,
various types of batteries, flywheels, electrochemical capacitors, etc., provide for
multiple applications:
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I think there is some confusion here about what "the grid" actually is. It can be defined as both generating capacity and distribution network combined. In this sense, there IS grid storage capacity, mostly in peak load standby generators and hydro electric facilities that can be brought on line to handle variations in demand.
The "grid" also refers to just the wiring, not the generators, that make up the distribution network from the power source to the consumer. This does NOT have ANY storage capacity. It does however have load capacity, which is the ability to transfer a given amount of energy from power plant to consumer.
A deficiency in load capacity is fixed by adding more distribution lines. A deficiency in generating capacity is fixed by adding more generators.
The "grid" also refers to just the wiring, not the generators, that make up the distribution network from the power source to the consumer. This does NOT have ANY storage capacity. It does however have load capacity, which is the ability to transfer a given amount of energy from power plant to consumer.
A deficiency in load capacity is fixed by adding more distribution lines. A deficiency in generating capacity is fixed by adding more generators.
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