Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[Doughknob]

I don't want to get in the middle of an argument but if you change:
"There is 24.6 GWH of storage in the Grid."
to:
"There is 24.6 GWH of power available in the Grid."
Then it makes sense. Power is generated at the source (nuclear, solar, coal, natural gas, wind,etc.). The grid wires then distribute that power via wires. IF there are other things along the way adding power into the grid like a solar array for example then that increases available power within the grid system.
Wires do not ADD power into the grid, the opposite is true. Wires because of resistance drop voltage.
With a meter measure voltage at an outlet.
Plug in a 50 ft. extension cord with light bulb, heater, etc. at the end. Measure THAT voltage and it will be less than source (outlet). The more load the less voltage.

Yep. And the mentioned report said 95% of the "storage" is in pumped hydro. That is simply using excess energy to pump water to higher levels then when more energy is needed that water is released through turbines to make more (like a dam). Note this is a different type of "storage" than batteries, like Tesla powerwalls (and similar units) which, as they continue to be installed, will add to the overall grid storage capacity.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Freyr Battery Announces 31 Gigawatt-Hour Lithium-Ion Deal

More grid storage talk.

 

[Snobdds]

So lets get back to the topic.

Battery power in EV makes no sense because of grid capacity issues.
Battery power in homes that use solar to charge batteries during the day to use at night during high peak demand makes a lot of sense.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

That is why we're looking at spending trillions of dollars to beef up the grid since the EV revolution is the genie that is already out of the bottle.

 

[Fuddy1952]

What do people think of this?:
They make wireless chargers for cell phones. It charges by induction, a coil of wire in both similar to a transformer in principle.
I can see a day when that technology is used in cars & trucks, wire coils in roads so the EV still has batteries but a short range is fine since it's only used on roads without coils.
The EV could be driven coast to coast nonstop since it charges as it goes.
Just like today's electric meters can be read remotely the same could be used for the EV, the owner would be billed based on usage or miles driven.

 

[Snobdds]

That is why we're looking at spending trillions of dollars to beef up the grid since the EV revolution is the genie that is already out of the bottle.

When does the battery revolution start?

 

[Snobdds]

What do people think of this?:
They make wireless chargers for cell phones. It charges by induction, a coil of wire in both similar to a transformer in principle.
I can see a day when that technology is used in cars & trucks, wire coils in roads so the EV still has batteries but a short range is fine since it's only used on roads without coils.
The EV could be driven coast to coast nonstop since it charges as it goes.
Just like today's electric meters can be read remotely the same could be used for the EV, the owner would be billed based on usage or miles driven.

Building roads would become cost prohibited for cities. Then what happens when a pot hole shuts down 5 o'clock rush hour with everyone stranded with dead batteries?

If building a grid above ground is challenging, imagine putting it in a road.

 

[ning]

What do people think of this?:
They make wireless chargers for cell phones. It charges by induction, a coil of wire in both similar to a transformer in principle.
I can see a day when that technology is used in cars & trucks, wire coils in roads so the EV still has batteries but a short range is fine since it's only used on roads without coils.
The EV could be driven coast to coast nonstop since it charges as it goes.
Just like today's electric meters can be read remotely the same could be used for the EV, the owner would be billed based on usage or miles driven.

It's a cool idea, but inductive charging isn't as efficient as direct even with the small distances involved with a cellphone being charged, and increasing that charging distance I'm guessing would make it even less efficient. That plus the costs of putting the charging into the roads probably kills the idea.

However, along those lines is adapting similar function as electric trollies to the highway - https://www.electronicdesign.com/ma...ighway-tests-accelerate-in-germany-and-the-uk

 

[PuffyC]

What do people think of this?:
They make wireless chargers for cell phones. It charges by induction, a coil of wire in both similar to a transformer in principle.
I can see a day when that technology is used in cars & trucks, wire coils in roads so the EV still has batteries but a short range is fine since it's only used on roads without coils.
The EV could be driven coast to coast nonstop since it charges as it goes.
Just like today's electric meters can be read remotely the same could be used for the EV, the owner would be billed based on usage or miles driven.

Roads That Charge Electric Cars Wirelessly Are Springing Up Everywhere!

Thanks to several companies and research teams worldwide, we could have roads that keep EVs' batteries juiced up within the decade.

www.intelligentliving.co

 

[California]

For most of us who haven't served on a board advising on grid expansion, 'grid' has the common use of the word - just the wires. The other components of a system will have their own words.

'Grid' as the whole picture - planning, generating, storage, distribution, maintenance, real-time management, SYSTEM, is a speciaist's (and/or troll's!) use of a common word that generally only someone familiar with the subject, will appreciate in its magnificence.

Anyhow, this is a great thread and I'm learning a lot from it.