Battery question for the experts

[Bob Rooks]

I've installed the QuadLogic battery relocator kit for bigger battery on my '16 Polaris Sportsman 450HO and would like to know what the "bigger" battery size is. Has anyone done this? I'd like to go with a SLA/AGM battery with more power than the OEM battery. Maximum battery size that will fit is 6-7/8" long x 3-3/8" wide x 7" tall. I can't find a battery that size.

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[Bob Rooks]

Well I guess either there are no experts out there or no one has tried this. So here is the answer for any interested parties - it's a group 20 size that is the "larger" maximum battery size that will fit this application. Instead of going the SLA/AGM route I opted to try the NOCO lithium battery. The specs led me to believe this is too good to be true, so we'll see.

 

[Roadworthy]

I know nothing about your conversion. I do know lithium batteries don't necessarily use the same charger as lead acid batteries. Find out if yours takes added electronics in your charging circuit or if the circuitry is built into the battery. There are some advantages to a lithium battery as well as disadvantages. They can be a REAL fire hazard if not handled properly.

 

[thepumpguysc]

The key to longevity with any battery is the tiedown..
If they are bouncing around, they aren’t going to last, period..
& that’s the extent of my knowledge on batteries..lol

 

[Bob Rooks]

I know nothing about your conversion. I do know lithium batteries don't necessarily use the same charger as lead acid batteries. Find out if yours takes added electronics in your charging circuit or if the circuitry is built into the battery. There are some advantages to a lithium battery as well as disadvantages. They can be a REAL fire hazard if not handled properly.

I've done a little homework on this. Yes, they do take a special lithium charger for quick charges but they are 100% compatible with regular vehicle charging systems. It has built in battery management circuitry with cell balancing, something that isn't in SLA/AGM/flooded cell batteries. It weighs just slightly more than five pounds. The mod takes the battery from under the engine to inside the left rear fender, up out of the way and easy to get to. The kit allows for the much larger group 20 size battery of any type. This battery boasts 600 amps of starting power, but I don't know how fast that drops off. Lithium batteries aren't rated with CCa's. They are also rated as a class B fire, so my compact ABC fire extinguisher is good. But as I alluded to, the jury is still out.

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[Bob Rooks]

The key to longevity with any battery is the tiedown..
If they are bouncing around, they aren’t going to last, period..
& that’s the extent of my knowledge on batteries..lol

Agreed. It will be cushioned with high density closed cell foam. It only weighs a little over five pounds. Very light for a battery.

 

[oosik]

I considered a Lithium battery when I upgraded on my Kubota M6040. It takes a group 31. I went with an Odyssey AGM - that was big enough( 1150 CCA). This AGM was quite expensive - Lithium was even more. Last thing I need out here is an exploding battery and fire.

 

[5030]

I can buy a helluva lot of flooded cell replacement jars for the cost of one fancy battery.

Makes no economic sense to me.

 

[jaydee325]

I considered a Lithium battery when I upgraded on my Kubota M6040. It takes a group 31. I went with an Odyssey AGM - that was big enough( 1150 CCA). This AGM was quite expensive - Lithium was even more. Last thing I need out here is an exploding battery and fire.

There are two types of "lithium" batteries. Lithium Ion, such as used in small battery powered appliances (phones for example) and Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePo4) such as the OP installed as a starting battery.

Vastly different chemistry involved. LiFePo4 batteries are no more dangerous or susceptible to exploding than common flooded cell lead acid batteries.

 

[Bob Rooks]

I can buy a helluva lot of flooded cell replacement jars for the cost of one fancy battery.

Makes no economic sense to me.

I'm wagering that if it has a five year replacement warranty it should outlive me. Besides, who wants to keep buying a helluva lot of batteries?

 

[Bob Rooks]

I considered a Lithium battery when I upgraded on my Kubota M6040. It takes a group 31. I went with an Odyssey AGM - that was big enough( 1150 CCA). This AGM was quite expensive - Lithium was even more. Last thing I need out here is an exploding battery and fire.

With this type of lithium battery your odds of a fire are equal to that of a failed fuel injector line. You carry an ABC fire extinguisher anyway, right?

 

[5030]

I consider starting batteries as consumables are replace them at least every 5 years but usually less. I have Lipo batteries in my RV but that is the only application. Battleborn's actually.

 

[5030]

Besides, who wants to keep buying a helluva lot of batteries?

I have zero issues with doing that myself. Besides, give me a chance to clean all the connections.

 

[coobie]

I consider starting batteries as consumables are replace them at least every 5 years but usually less. I have Lipo batteries in my RV but that is the only application. Battleborn's actually.

Now thats STRANGE originally you stated 5 years until you replace the batteries? In your earlier post you stated 3-4 years you replace them which one is it?

 

[5030]

I'm wagering that if it has a five year replacement warranty it should outlive me. Besides, who wants to keep buying a helluva lot of batteries?

I used that term pretty loosely. My projected battery life in my tractors is 3 years and I'll change them out at 5, good or not so good. Not a big deal as I consider starting batteries as a consumable item just like oil filters and air filters. Mine reside in an unheated bar with no electricity so it's imperative to me that I have sufficient starting amperage when it's cold out, like this AM for instance. It's 4, feels like -6.

Do the same with the vehicles as well. The one thing I don't ever want is a dead battery when I need it to fire my engines. That applies to ANY battery. I cannot see purchasing a hybrid battery for 2 to 3 times the cost of a conventional jar. Makes no economic sense to me, never has.

Batteries and air filters along with sufficient tire pressures are the 3 most neglected items on a tractor and on a vehicle there is. Guess that is why the gummit put TPMS on newer cars today. And as an aside, you can purchase TPMS units for farm tractor tires as well.

 

[ultrarunner]

Don't forget fluids...

Like my tenant experiencing problems with her bought new Toyota... never changed the oil in 55,000 miles... just added when oil light came on...

 

[5030]

Don't forget fluids...

Like my tenant experiencing problems with her bought new Toyota... never changed the oil in 55,000 miles... just added when oil light came on...

Reminds me of my old boss. Leased a Chrysler Pacifica and never changed the oil, don't think he ever checked it either. at 75K the engine puked so we had to put a reman motor in it so he could turn it in

People are ignorant today.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Don't forget fluids...

Like my tenant experiencing problems with her bought new Toyota... never changed the oil in 55,000 miles... just added when oil light came on...

They walk among us, and they breed.

 

[Bob Rooks]

I cannot see purchasing a hybrid battery for 2 to 3 times the cost of a conventional jar. Makes no economic sense to me, never has.

"jar"? I purchased it mainly because of the 600 amp capacity and the five year warranty. I run a winch too so the extra capacity is justified, imo. But I see your point. In my case it was old batteries that killed the starter in my F350 Powerstroke - that cost me the price of six new batteries.

 

[5030]

"jar"? I purchased it mainly because of the 600 amp capacity and the five year warranty. I run a winch too so the extra capacity is justified, imo. But I see your point. In my case it was old batteries that killed the starter in my F350 Powerstroke - that cost me the price of six new batteries.

'Jar' is the street term for a lead-acid flooded cell battery...

Not sure how old batteries killed your starter on your Powerstroke and I've replaced the starter on my 1997 and a new reman one was 120 bucks.

I have Interstates in my 1997 and when parked it's always on the battery tender.