Ordered a 2022 Ram 2500

[Complete Turf Care]

My ‘19 Ram 2500 Tradesman with the 6.4 hemi gets as much as 17.5mpg. I was thinking this one would be the same or better. This one is a Laramie. Don’t know if that makes any difference.

 

[Hay Dude]

Had a software update on Friday and the cargo camera is now working. Still have weird things going on with the CarPlay. It comes on then goes off randomly when connected wirelessly.

I am little disappointed with the gas mileage. Best I've got so far is just under 16mpg. Average is about 14. I've got right at 1000 miles on it now. Hopefully the fuel mileage gets better in time.

I don’t think you are broken in enough yet.

 

[coldsteelva]

Had a software update on Friday and the cargo camera is now working. Still have weird things going on with the CarPlay. It comes on then goes off randomly when connected wirelessly.

I am little disappointed with the gas mileage. Best I've got so far is just under 16mpg. Average is about 14. I've got right at 1000 miles on it now. Hopefully the fuel mileage gets better in time.

Have you done this mileage calc by hand or just the dash computer readout? In addition to the break-in period possibly not being complete yet, which fuel are you running (variation between winter/summer blend) and are all the tire pressures set correctly?

 

[BigBlue1]

Good point... winter blend gasoline in northern states definitely affects MPG.

 

[jk96]

I don’t think you are broken in enough yet.

I had several people mention better mileage after break in but I never saw a difference on my ram diesel. Still the same at 260,000 as the day I bought it.

 

[Smokeydog]

OP that’s a nice truck! Buying new today is definitely a challenge.

Shopping to replace my 1996 Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4. Love the 5.9L Cummins. Liked the new Rams, not interested in new diesels of any flavor. Ford Godzilla was considered. Dealers wildly discounting diesels on the lot lower than I could buy the new gas models.

I don’t need a bigger or stronger truck. Been trying to retire for 15 years. Farm needs have changed. I’ve changed.
Looked at the 2022 Toyota Tundra. On paper more Hp and torque than my diesel. Impressive for a half ton truck. I’ll be pushing the towing limit pulling our 1993 triple axle airstream that our Dodge pulls so wonderfully.
Be several months before I can even order what I want and then months wait to build. New trucks are sold long before they reach the dealership. So have time to think about what the next truck in the stable needs to be.

 

[deserteagle71]

Looked at the 2022 Toyota Tundra. On paper more Hp and torque than my diesel. Impressive for a half ton truck. I’ll be pushing the towing limit pulling our 1993 triple axle airstream that our Dodge pulls so wonderfully.

One thing you need to consider....yes, the HP and torque numbers may be about the same as your old 5.9. BUT - you need to check the HP and torque curves and see where those maximum numbers come in. That old 5.9 was putting out maximum torque (equals pulling power) at 1600 rpm. And that torque was relatively flat for the next 2000 rpm. No gas engine can do that. So, if you don't mind listening to a gas engine screaming along at 3500-4500 rpm - which is where it develops maximum torque - then you'll be fine.

Me, I can't stand listening to an engine turning high rpms - and sucking down gas. I have a big block gas rig, and an F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost which is the closest gas engine I've found with diesel-like torque characteristics. But either one, if I hook to a heavy trailer, the fuel mileage essentially halves. My "heavy hauler" is a 2004 Dodge/Cummins with the 5.9. It gets 18 mpg empty (its a dually) and has never gotten less than 13 mpg pulling 20,000+ pounds. And the tach never has to go above 2000 rpm.

Yes, you will be pushing the limits if you try towing your triple axle trailer with a Tundra. The truck will have enough power to pull it. But SAFELY pulling (and stopping) it unless in ideal conditions is a different story. The tail may end up wagging the dog.

 

[Blue Mule]

One thing you need to consider....yes, the HP and torque numbers may be about the same as your old 5.9. BUT - you need to check the HP and torque curves and see where those maximum numbers come in. That old 5.9 was putting out maximum torque (equals pulling power) at 1600 rpm. And that torque was relatively flat for the next 2000 rpm. No gas engine can do that. So, if you don't mind listening to a gas engine screaming along at 3500-4500 rpm - which is where it develops maximum torque - then you'll be fine.

Me, I can't stand listening to an engine turning high rpms - and sucking down gas. I have a big block gas rig, and an F150 with the 3.5 Ecoboost which is the closest gas engine I've found with diesel-like torque characteristics. But either one, if I hook to a heavy trailer, the fuel mileage essentially halves. My "heavy hauler" is a 2004 Dodge/Cummins with the 5.9. It gets 18 mpg empty (its a dually) and has never gotten less than 13 mpg pulling 20,000+ pounds. And the tach never has to go above 2000 rpm.

Yes, you will be pushing the limits if you try towing your triple axle trailer with a Tundra. The truck will have enough power to pull it. But SAFELY pulling (and stopping) it unless in ideal conditions is a different story. The tail may end up wagging the dog.

Yeah but that's a pre-EPA screw-up Cummins. The 07+ diesels, regardless of brand, are getting 9-12 MPG towing. That's exactly where a gas V8 falls. And it's where a V6TT engine in a truck falls as well. Difference is the diesel is drinking fuel that costs $0.40 more per gallon at U.S. average prices.

The other interesting thing is that a Ram 2500 with Cummins has a typical payload rating of 1,900 to 2,100 lbs. You can option "1/2 ton" trucks with the same payload ratings. And payload is what usually caps real world towing capacity. Throw a family into a crew cab truck and you'll decimate your payload capacity quickly. A Ram 2500 diesel with a family of 4 inside isn't going to legally pull 20,000 lbs.

The curb weight advantage...I'll give you that. A Tundra goes 6,000 lbs. with a couple of people inside, whereas the Ram with Cummins is 1,500 lbs. heavier. I suppose that could possibly translate into safer towing in extreme situations.

 

[Smokeydog]

Good points and have done lots of towing over decades.
Impressive flat torque curves at low rpm with the double turbos V6 Toyota now offers. Even more with the hybrid but don’t put enough miles to justify the tech. 10 speed automatic helps too. Empty mileage about the same but less with the gas towing I suspect.

I don’t expect Toyota to pull or haul as much as the old Dodge. Just hopes it helps with downsizing and prioritizing. Probably keep the old dodge for a while or forever as a farm truck. 10,500# two speed hydraulic winch on the front is so helpful pulling down leaning trees.

The airstream trailer has great brakes and will stop quicker towing than an empty truck. ProPride hitch increases articulation and transmits zero sway. Big safety feature.

One of the biggest concerns is 4x4. Truck is in 4x4 on the hillside farm/ house which equates to 1,000’s miles over decades and almost daily. Few trucks can take that.

 

[Will S]

Glad you got it home. Nice that it didn't get hung up at any shipping yards for weeks, as can happen.

The cargo view camera is indeed pretty useful. Love mine.

Your CarPlay situation sounds like mine. When I picked my 2017 up the system had Android Auto. I just barely played with it at the dealer. Didn't get back in the truck for a day or two and when I went back in to start exploring the feature was gone. An update had occurred that disabled it. And they never put it back on my model of Uconnect system. :-(

That remote start/lock/locate Uconnect app is also really handy. Just beware that after the first year they start charging you for access to do it. The first few years the subscription wasn't too bad - they had a 'half-price' sale every March for about $75. Then in 2020 they changed subscription models and the cost went up to like $129/yr. I skipped it. But in 2021 they had a plan for around $90 so I went back to it. This one came with a free T-Mobile adapter for in-vehicle wifi but I've never used it because I only use my phone in the vehicle, not a laptop or tablet.

O.P. very nice choice of truck and options,; BigBlue, I didn't know they charge for remote start. I came soooo close to buying a new Laramie back in 2020; I test drove a couple of them, and really liked them, AND the fact that rear camera could be monitored while driving. But I bought a new F150 Lariat instead, since my grandson is new car sales manager at a large Ford dealership, the family "D" plan price was too good to pass up.

Anyways, not to stray too far off the thread, my truck has remote start (I don't use since my truck is garaged), and Ford (shhhhh) doesn't charge a fee for it; they only charge for hot-spot internet, which I never subscribed to. I WISH my truck rear view camera could display while driving, but that is not a option.