Gear oil type can’t be found

   / Gear oil type can’t be found #11  
It depends on what “Extreme Pressure” additives the manufacturer put in the oil to get the GL5 rating. The lower cost alternative is sulfur compounds. The nonsulphur compounds are more expensive.

As I said above, the primary application of “yellow metal”, aka, copper alloys in drive train components, is as synchronizer rings in transmissions.

I guess if a manufacturer was trying to cut costs in the front axle they could put in bronze bushings as opposed to bearings, and possibly make a crush sleeve to located the pinyon gear out of bronze. But, both would have very short service lives so, I would not expect them to be used.

You can hunt around for GL4 lubricant if you want to. I researched the topic, pretty extensively a few years back, when I first bought my tiny truck, and it specified GL4 for the transmission, transfer case, and axles.

As a result I have a pretty good understanding of what things are, and how they work together, and I have no hesitancy in using “yellow metal safe” GL5 of the appropriate viscosity, in anything specifying GL4.

The difference mechanically between the GL3, GL4, and GL5, is how well they function under high pressure shear as the gear teeth move across each other under “extreme pressure”. GL3 has less EP capabilities than the GL4, and the GL4 less than the GL5.
I have a machine that has bronze gears in it's gear box and the mfgr specifies GL4 and says GL5 won't work because it will "eat up" the gears. I had trouble finding GL4 many years ago so I researched the difference between them and what I found on the GL4/GL5 issue matches what jigs_n_fixtures posted.
 
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If you do some surfing you'll find the difference between the two resides in the additives used. They do not interchange in all cases. I don't know how hard you've looked for GL-4 but online I can even find it at Walmart.
I did find GL-4 on-line and at local auto parts stores but all have a different weight and viscosity, except for few where a quart cost $30+ each, and I need more then 2 gallons for a full change out. It appears the 80W-90, GL-4 targets mostly racing equipment which demand a higher performance. I like to stay with my manual specs if I can at least till the warranty is over. I might have to bite the bullet and get it from the tractor dealer this time. We will see what type of gear oil they are using. I will update this post once done, in about a week or so. Thanks for all those who provided feedback.
 
   / Gear oil type can’t be found #13  
I had same issue. I was told GL5 was fine for axle as it didn't have soft metal.
 
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I have a machine that has bronze gears in it's gear box and the mfgr specifies GL4 and says GL5 won't work because it will "eat up" the gears. I had trouble finding GL4 many years ago so I researched the difference between them and what I found on the GL4/GL5 issue matches what jigs_n_fixtures posted.
The stuff Marked GL4/GL5 uses a different additive than the normal GL5, to make it safe for yellow metal. There are quite a few which are dual rated. But if you look at the online description it will say only the GL5.

I don’t know why, but would guess that the web wenies writing the web descriptions don’t have any clue, as to the differences betweeen the two. Kind of like when the second stepdaughter put diesel in her toyota, becasue the pump had nozzles in white, light green, dark green, and black. So, the black had to be most goodererest.
 
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I see the Amazon stuff is 54$ . It was under 30 when I got it ....
 
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I had same issue. I was told GL5 was fine for axle as it didn't have soft metal.
I did the same thing, called the TYM dealership maintenance department and said GL5 would be fine to use and it will not void any warranties.
 
   / Gear oil type can’t be found #18  
I found Gl4 at farm and home .
 

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