Why no Ecoboost in the F250?

[4570Man]

Whew. Every 2 years back in the 70’s?Has he ever heard of depreciation? lol
A worn out 427 truck is worth about $1500 bucks.

Besides, 70’s diesels in that type of truck weren’t much to write home about back then. Maybe 150HP?

A 427 back then would probably outperform the diesel in the same truck. And fuel was a lot cheaper. 4mpg and honestly that’s being optimistic vs 6-8 in a diesel adds up fast at today’s prices. I used to have a Topkick with a 366. It was a pretty good old truck. The 366 liked it’s gas just the same but it was tough and reliable.

 

[Snobdds]

I didnt even mention in line lol
Just gas v. diesel.
That’s all you
Move on from the in line hate. It’s boring anymore.

You kind of did though. Asking why haven't small gas motors been put on sub compacts. You don't have to explicitly write in line to mean inline motors.

I don't hate on in line motors, I own some. I hated on the fan fanboism.

 

[4570Man]

Amazing how you see all those gas CUT tractors out there lol
People cry like babies because their diesel tractors over 25HP have expensive emissions. So why don’t the manufacturers put turbocharged gas engines in them if they’re almost as good as diesel? It would be cheaper, too.

What??? Not as much torque or longevity? surely you jest….

Ethanol gas is probably the single biggest reason that’s never happened. It’s not like a compact tractors real selling point is torque and a gas motor easily last as long as the hours a compact tractor typically sees. The fuel consumption is going to be terrible on a 40hp gas motor working hard but that’s not a big problem either for a 100 hour per year machine.

 

[Hay Dude]

You kind of did though. Asking why haven't small gas motors been put on sub compacts. You don't have to explicitly write in line to mean inline motors.

I don't hate on in line motors, I own some. I hated on the fan fanboism.

No, I kind of didn’t. lol
If you read my post, my main point was for if anyone thinks gas engines are up to diesel engines, they aren’t. None are used in tractors much over 25HP

Anyone ever see a gasser recently in a farm tractor? OTR heavy trucks? Tugboats? Industrial equipment?
Hmmmm wonder why? Gas engines can do almost what a diesel can now according to some and cheaper to buy and fuel, so why not? lol

 

[BravoXray]

Whew. Every 2 years back in the 70’s?Has he ever heard of depreciation? lol
A worn out 427 truck is worth about $1500 bucks.

Besides, 70’s diesels in that type of truck weren’t much to write home about back then. Maybe 150HP?

He was comparing it to a REAL diesel, like an GMC Astro or White, Mack, IHC 4300, etc.

 

[Hay Dude]

He was comparing it to a REAL diesel, like an GMC Astro or White, Mack, IHC 4300, etc.

A C60 or C70 wouldnt have a REAL (as in big displacement) diesel in it. It would have a smallish diesel in it, like a 6.2L. A real diesel road tractor would be 3x the cost but run 500-1 million miles.
Gotta compare apples to apples. But in his case, yes a C60 medium size truck with a gas engine and wearing it out in 2 years seems kinda stupid because its worthless, but hey whatever blows wind up your skirt….

I bet that technique or truck purchasing is seldom used.

 

[bnold]

I’ve run 2 company F150 ecoboost F150 and a mid sized V8. From 2017 to 2022, about 40,000miles per year.

I think they were all quite powerful and quick for the light duty F150 chassis. Fun to drive amply around town for sure! I did not consider them to excel at towing. Some because of the grocery getter trans tunes, some due to the high reving engines and resultant MPG running highway speeds, but mostly due to the light weight vehicle.

Towing a moderate sized boat was a sketchy experience with the F150 from a handling and braking perspective. Not a fan compared to my 2500/3500 weight and diesel.

Those that think their F150s tow so amazing, are not comparing to a similar year model heavy duty diesel.


I am interested in trying out the new high displacement Ford in a heavy duty.

 

[4570Man]

No, I kind of didn’t. lol
If you read my post, my main point was for if anyone thinks gas engines are up to diesel engines, they aren’t. None are used in tractors much over 25HP

Anyone ever see a gasser recently in a farm tractor? OTR heavy trucks? Tugboats? Industrial equipment?
Hmmmm wonder why? Gas engines can do almost what a diesel can now according to some and cheaper to buy and fuel, so why not? lol

A diesel engine could be built to last. But why? Doing so especially in the pre emission days would push the cost to close to diesel levels. The biggest reason gas burners aren’t typically in working equipment and never will be in working equipment is a hard working gas motor burns twice as much fuel as a diesel. And fuel is expensive. The increased difficulty of transporting gasoline doesn’t make the case better.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

I feel battered after reading this post! My poor old F350 with a 7.3 V8 diesel and 6 speed manual get driven like I have to fix it, and I am the one paying for the fuel gong in! It gets 16 to 18 pulling 20K as long as I keep it at 65mph, and can go to 11-12mpg if I push the speeds on up.
ECOboost? Isn't that just a turbo'd gas engine? My wife's car has one of those. Quick for a 4 banger, but we don't pull trailers with it.
David from jax

If you have a truck that will get 18 mpg pulling 20,000 lbs you better hold on to it, because I doubt that you can replace it with anything made today.

 

[Renze]

I think some of the really big equipment has V12s. I’ve never been around anything that big. The vast majority of cat equipment has I6 engines.

Cat used to have a range of engines, also V8
Only in the last 20 years they have not succeeded the 3408 but replaced them with C15 and C18 six pots, and then to a C27 V12 which is (i think) a double C13 cylinder bank on a V block.

It does make it easier for them on a production point of view, because they have only two block angles on the block machining line: flush for an inline, or 60 degrees for a V12 (not 90 degrees for a V8)