Why no Ecoboost in the F250?

[4570Man]

Bout as accurate as my Maserati 3500 with 6.7L Cummins

Except Cummins is own company that just powers dodge/ram. And if it wasn’t for Cummins dodge/ram would probably be defunct because they didn’t have much else to offer.

 

[sd455dan]

Bout as accurate as my Maserati 3500 with 6.7L Cummins

Up you one , at least as cubic inches go
7.6 liter (462 cubic inch Pontiac) in my 2600lb Mazda "ex" Rotary RX7
Not as much torque as a 6.7 but more than my 03 5.9 H.O. Cummins at 555 lb ft.
We call it the Mazdarati
Heavy on the ratty.

 

[Hay Dude]

Except Cummins is own company that just powers dodge/ram. And if it wasn’t for Cummins dodge/ram would probably be defunct because they didn’t have much else to offer.

Well, except that they build trucks that exceed Ford & Chevy on towing specs and come standard with longer power train warranties.
But who cares about warranties? Or who uses trucks for towing anymore?

Right?

 

[4570Man]

Well, except that they build trucks that exceed Ford & Chevy on towing specs and come standard with longer power train warranties.
But who cares about warranties? Or who uses trucks for towing anymore?

Right?

And without Cummins they still have nothing to offer. If Ford had of dropped a Cummins in their pickups and avoided the 6.0/6.4 crisis they would have owned the pickup market back then and today. If you could have gotten a Ford Cummins nobody would have bought a dodge/ram because the rest of the Ford was way better.

 

[Hay Dude]

And without Cummins they still have nothing to offer. If Ford had of dropped a Cummins in their pickups and avoided the 6.0/6.4 crisis they would have owned the pickup market back then and today. If you could have gotten a Ford Cummins nobody would have bought a dodge/ram because the rest of the Ford was way better.

ok, so a longer warranty and better towing specs is nothing…..

Good to know

Its the reason I went with ram over GM & Ford, but what do I know?


If Ford……

BUT THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY’RE STUPID.
And BTW: The rest of the Ford is NOT better. That’s just your opinion. If it were true, Ram wouldn’t be cutting into Ford sales.

 

[4570Man]

ok, so a longer warranty and better towing specs is nothing…..

Good to know

Its the reason I went with ram over GM & Ford, but what do I know?


If Ford……

BUT THEY DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY’RE STUPID.
And BTW: The rest of the Ford is NOT better. That’s just your opinion. If it were true, Ram wouldn’t be cutting into Ford sales.

I’m not talking about the truck they make now. I said if Ford dropped a Cummins in their trucks 20 years ago that Dodge/ram trucks would probably be defunct. If they weren’t completely gone they definitely wouldn’t have the market share they have today. I still think Ford makes a better truck but back then they definitely did. If Ford didn’t like Cummins they should have used a DT360. They weren’t that different from a 5.9 and much more reliable than the 6.0 or 6.4.

 

[Hay Dude]

I’m not talking about the truck they make now. I said if Ford dropped a Cummins in their trucks 20 years ago that Dodge/ram trucks would probably be defunct. If they weren’t completely gone they definitely wouldn’t have the market share they have today. I still think Ford makes a better truck but back then they definitely did. If Ford didn’t like Cummins they should have used a DT360. They weren’t that different from a 5.9 and much more reliable than the 6.0 or 6.4.

But they didn’t because they weren’t smart.
A DT360 is not capable of making the HP todays modern horsepower warfare demands. Maybe a DT466, but neither have been made for years, so it doesn’t really matter and Ford chose not to. I bet IH would have been more than happy to sell Ford all the DT466’s they wanted. IH couldn’t make an after treatment system in 2012 so none of that matters anymore, either.

Dodge/Ram was smart and went with a proven winner. Now their trucks are as good or better and have a longer warranty for years.

Anyway, we are off topic.

 

[4570Man]

Back to the towing capacity part a Ford 450 is rated to tow 37k while a ram 4500 is only rated to 29k. A 550 ford is rated to 32k and a 5500 is rated to 35k. Why a 450 is rated to tow more than the 550 is beyond me. The fairly new released F-600 would appeal to me more then those trucks for the extra bed payload. The 5500 with a diesel, 4x4 and the shortest wheelbase is rated 10,500k payload where the F600 with the same package is rated at 14k.

 

[Hay Dude]

Back to the towing capacity part a Ford 450 is rated to tow 37k while a ram 4500 is only rated to 29k. A 550 ford is rated to 32k and a 5500 is rated to 35k. Why a 450 is rated to tow more than the 550 is beyond me. The fairly new released F-600 would appeal to me more then those trucks for the extra bed payload. The 5500 with a diesel, 4x4 and the shortest wheelbase is rated 10,500k payload where the F600 with the same package is rated at 14k.

2020 Ram 5500 crew cab cummins GCWR 43,000.

2020 Ford crew cab Powerstroke was GCWR only rated at 40,000

F-600 is only available as regular cab. I much prefer a crew cab.
Cummins is just a better puller, too.

Don’t try this with a Ford

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

I dont mess with newer fords but the 90s fords were years behind the dodge. Worse front suspension design ever. Only good part of the ford was the sheet metal doesnt run. Motors were junk, yes even a 7.3, suspension was junk, frames have more flex than the suspension flexes

I have 2 obs f350s

 

[4570Man]

I dont mess with newer fords but the 90s fords were years behind the dodge. Worse front suspension design ever. Only good part of the ford was the sheet metal doesnt run. Motors were junk, yes even a 7.3, suspension was junk, frames have more flex than the suspension flexes

I have 2 obs f350s

I don’t really like a leaf spring ford or a 7.3 but junk is a real overstatement for them. The leaf spring axels had a poor turning radius and the 7.3s were loud and don’t start good in the cold but there’s a lot of those trucks still on the road. I’d much rather have a IFS axel in a ton truck for the turning radius and ride quality. If you were going to a 4500 or heavier truck you’re already giving up ride quality and I’d rather have a straight axel for strength.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don’t really like a leaf spring ford or a 7.3 but junk is a real overstatement for them. The leaf spring axels had a poor turning radius and the 7.3s were loud and don’t start good in the cold but there’s a lot of those trucks still on the road.

I don’t see many 7.3’s anymore. Salt ate em all up and they were maybe a 1/4 million mile engine anyway.
Nobody really liked a 444 cubic inch motor that made only 225HP maybe 250 in it’s final year. I owned 3 of them and tried to like them, but never really did. Owned 3 6.4’s and they were a nice truck, but the engine was a weekly break down problem.

 

[4570Man]

I don’t see many 7.3’s anymore. Salt ate em all up and they were maybe a 1/4 million mile engine anyway.
Nobody really liked a 444 cubic inch motor that made only 225HP maybe 250 in it’s final year. I owned 3 of them and tried to like them, but never really did. Owned 3 6.4’s and they were a nice truck, but the engine was a weekly break down problem.

I’m no 7.3 fanboy I don’t even like them. But junk is a strong word especially compared to other options at the time. They’re probably the most overrated engine in history.

 

[sd455dan]

I’m not talking about the truck they make now. I said if Ford dropped a Cummins in their trucks 20 years ago that Dodge/ram trucks would probably be defunct. If they weren’t completely gone they definitely wouldn’t have the market share they have today. I still think Ford makes a better truck but back then they definitely did. If Ford didn’t like Cummins they should have used a DT360. They weren’t that different from a 5.9 and much more reliable than the 6.0 or 6.4.

My 2 cents

MotorTrend Chose Dodge as the Heavy Duty truck of the year in 2003

I am biased since I have one.
I will say it is the little things that have been troublesome.
Like dash cracking, window switch , turn signal switch, Quick wearing leather seat coverings along with electric seat motors jamming, headlights that clouded up HVAC flapper door failures.
But what is solid:

Fully boxed hi tensile 50 KSI hydroformed frame.
Great AAM heavy duty axles front a solid axle.
NV 5600 cast Iron 6 speed manual trans with no dual mass flywheel
HPCR 24 valve Cummins with No emission devices.
Engine can be serviced without taking the entire cab off.
Cough -Ford

The Drivetrain is solid on this vintage Dodge.

At least the basic truck will start run and get you there without a Major engine failure
Little things can be irritating but major drivetrain failures are a deal breaker.

Lots of small businesses popped up doing what 4570 suggested when the Ford diesel let them down by Installing a Cummins in the Fords which makes for a very nice truck.

 

[4570Man]

My 2 cents

MotorTrend Chose Dodge as the Heavy Duty truck of the year in 2003

I am biased since I have one.
I will say it is the little things that have been troublesome.
Like dash cracking, window switch , turn signal switch, Quick wearing leather seat coverings along with electric seat motors jamming, headlights that clouded up HVAC flapper door failures.
But what is solid:

Fully boxed hi tensile 50 KSI hydroformed frame.
Great AAM heavy duty axles front a solid axle.
NV 5600 cast Iron 6 speed manual trans with no dual mass flywheel
HPCR 24 valve Cummins with No emission devices.
Engine can be serviced without taking the entire cab off.
Cough -Ford

The Drivetrain is solid on this vintage Dodge.

At least the basic truck will start run and get you there without a Major engine failure
Little things can be irritating but major drivetrain failures are a deal breaker.

Lots of small businesses popped up doing what 4570 suggested when the Ford diesel let them down by Installing a Cummins in the Fords which makes for a very nice truck.

So basically the lesson here is That Cummins which isn’t affiliated with Dodge or Chrysler is good, New venture transmissions also not affiliated with dodge are good and AAM axels also not affiliated with dodge are good. The interior of the truck is a pile of crap. The automatic transmission is a pile of crap. The gas options in the truck are just ok. I don’t like the poor serviceability of a Ford either. That’s the single biggest reason I’m not a big Ford fan.

 

[Renze]

Been a Volvo guy for a long time, have two FoMoCo era Volvos now, 07’ V59 and an 09’ S80, no real issues with either, but the FoMoCo stamped parts make me sick….lol. About 130k miles each.

130k miles.. you wont find any in Holland of that age and so few miles... I bought my first two Volvos, a 440 1.7 on propane, and a 1.9 turbodiesel, with 200.000km or 130.000 miles. All my 850, S70 and V70 (all diesel) were bought with about 360.000km or 220.000 miles.

The V50 is a Ford Focus, my mate had three of them and had high maintenance bills on all of them. His wife didnt want to do a step back in time with model year, but when the car maintenance guy advised him to ditch it before the glow plugs went out because it often involved taking the head off the Ford/Peugeot diesel to drill them out, he was done with the Ford parts and got a 2001 V70 cheap, and is happier than ever because he doesnt feel hurt anymore when the kids scratch it.

My 2007 V70 is also a Ford era, but no Ford parts because it was developed before Ford. Ford bean counters were involved in the development of the 3rd gen V70 of 2008, and it shows as these models are known to have electrical problems.

I have driven 14 years in the P80 platform Volvos, i will probably own another V70 gen 2 after this one, but what the future holds, i dont know... it will either way be a car with a proven track record of reliability, though it seems to get scarcer with time...

 

[Renze]

I’m not talking about the truck they make now. I said if Ford dropped a Cummins in their trucks 20 years ago that Dodge/ram trucks would probably be defunct. If they weren’t completely gone they definitely wouldn’t have the market share they have today. I still think Ford makes a better truck but back then they definitely did. If Ford didn’t like Cummins they should have used a DT360. They weren’t that different from a 5.9 and much more reliable than the 6.0 or 6.4.

It is true, that installing the Cummins motor was a great marketing tool for Dodge... if i recall right, they served 17% of the market, with Ford and GM split the rest, in 1989 ? The Cummins option brought people into the showroom to look at a Dodge, though most of them left with a gas V8 engine under the hood...

 

[Renze]

Lots of small businesses popped up doing what 4570 suggested when the Ford diesel let them down by Installing a Cummins in the Fords which makes for a very nice truck.

This guy put a school bus Cat engine in one.

 

[sd455dan]

So basically the lesson here is That Cummins which isn’t affiliated with Dodge or Chrysler is good, New venture transmissions also not affiliated with dodge are good and AAM axels also not affiliated with dodge are good. The interior of the truck is a pile of crap. The automatic transmission is a pile of crap. The gas options in the truck are just ok. I don’t like the poor serviceability of a Ford either. That’s the single biggest reason I’m not a big Ford fan.

I don't know if it is as bad as a pile of Crap...

and at least Dodge was smart enough to pick quality main drivetrain parts from other mfgrs to pair with the Cummins

My 03 may be old but it has only stranded me once, and that was a sudden water pump failure which is ironic.

 

[Hay Dude]

So basically the lesson here is That Cummins which isn’t affiliated with Dodge or Chrysler is good, New venture transmissions also not affiliated with dodge are good and AAM axels also not affiliated with dodge are good. The interior of the truck is a pile of crap. The automatic transmission is a pile of crap. The gas options in the truck are just ok. I don’t like the poor serviceability of a Ford either. That’s the single biggest reason I’m not a big Ford fan.

Not really. The Ram interior is NOT a pile of crap. Mine is on par or better than Ford. Ford uses outsourced Dana axles and NP transfer cases, so nothing new there. The Aisin transmission in my Ram has been good.

I think you are still living on 25 year old folklore. Ford & GM marketed the heck out of their trucks in the 90’s & 2000’s Dodge/Ram didn’t. I was a Ford guy 25 years ago. Thought they were better. Not anymore. They are all fairly close. If towing is your gig, I’d chose Ram.