Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA)

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ctgoldwing

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No claims for originality here. I have seen others do it but I decided to 'do it my way'. The thought was it would be a nice simple project to execute. Turned out there were little procurement bumps in the road that kept pushing back the finish date.

So the plan was to utilize a 200mm linear actuator (just about 8"). I measured the min and max distances between the pivot bolts and the were almost dead nuts 200mm.
First thing was to make a sketch of what I wanted to accomplish:

sketch of automation.JPG


I used 1-1/4" OD aluminum tube with 1/4" wall thickness. At the bolt ends I drilled 20mm + holes to accommodate sleeves made from 20mm OD, 14mm ID. The original 12mm bolts were replaced with longer 60mm ones. They go through the sleeves. The sleeves are ~ 1-3/8" long (1/8" longer than the tube diameter). When the bolts are tightened the sleeves are fixed and the 1-1/4 tube can rotate freely as required as the release arms move.

The ends of the actuators were slightly larger than the ID of the 1-1/4 tube so I drilled that out as required. Believe me, I'm no machinist.


Here are the bits and pieces:
parts.jpg


To control it I used a DPDT, center off, rocker switch. It provides the reversing of polarity of the 12 volts to the motor. I mounted it in the unused slot next to the range selector on my L3800. I just wanted it out of the way - no accidental 'oops'.
Additionally I mounted a very bright multicolor led on the dash to indicate when the actuator is energized (red for open, blue for closed). An ice cube sized electronic flasher was also added to make sure it was noticed. The wiring diagram is below. The led section is enclosed in dotted lines and is unnecessary for operation. All you need is the switch. There was change in the choice of led so a 30 ohm 10 watt dropping resistor is not shown - it is inserted between the led and the flasher. The panel light I was going to use was set up for 12 volt operation.
For previous projects I had installed a 6 position fuse block on the left rear fender. It's switched on with the key. That is where I obtained the 12 volts. My testing of the actuator indicated it draws about 1 amp. I used a 5 amp fuse.
wiring diagram_small.jpg


The last thing I'm waiting for is some retractable cable to help keep the wiring neat and out of the 'danger zone' on the left fel arm. It does work. Time will tell for how long :) Here is my 1st mounting test pic. I ended up reversing it to get the wire close to left side.

mounted 1.jpg


And a short Youtube of it finished: Demo of SSQA automation

It was a fun project and if need be the entire assembly can be removed in 3 minutes by unbolting 2 bolts, detach 2 spade fittings and then putting back the bolts with the sleeves (or find the original bolts).
 
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   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #2  
I think you’ll need a lot stronger actuator. Those levers can be nearly impossible to move at times especially without frequent greasing.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #3  
Looks good! What actuator and the led did you buy? I like the idea of the LED. Thinking of doing this for my L2501.

Bill
 
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This is the actuator I went with: 330lb actuator I could not stall it with all my weight (195lb)

Here is the led: 9 watt led - NOTE these leds should have a heat sink. Each color is rated ~ 3w and draw 700ma at full rate. I used a 30 ohm dropping resistor to reduce the current to 300ma - approx 1watt. The flasher has a 50% duty cycle so the leds are only dissipating 1/2watt - 1/6 of their rating. I did not use a heatsink - time will tell. . .

4570man - you may be right but 330 lbs of force is a lot of force. Even with the different moment arm, when you close or open the levers manually, that would be the equivalent of well over 100lbs of force. I do grease the pins pretty much every time the loader is done.

For me it was a fun project. Didn't cost very much and I learned a little something.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #5  
Thanks for the reply! Something I might get to this winter hopefully!

Bill
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #6  

Yes the cheap weak actuator will work, barely. Think mine was probably the 330lbs one. But it was 5+ years ago I'm I'm to lazy to read my old thread. The 100lbs & 330lbs actuators are the same, just geared slightly differently. Same amp draw, one is just slower & stronger.

I ended up upgrading from the $40 cheap slow ones to a $150 actuator. Notacibly faster, stronger & higher amp draw.

I have all the hydraulic parts but hoses to do that on my new L4060hstc, but haven't ever gotten around to it. They are handy, but apparently not quite handy enough to float to the top of my To Do list these days.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #8  
What did you use for that cylinder? Is it something you made up or bought as an option?

Bill
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #9  
What did you use for that cylinder? Is it something you made up or bought as an option?

Bill
I used a 1x8 cylinder and lengthened it, the guard was added to protect the rod. You can kind of see the cylinder retracted without the guard and paint.
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   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #10  
I have a similar small 1" cylinder I found for cheap somewhere, if/when I get to the project. You want as small of a cylinder as possible, or to run a pressure relief valve. A 1" diameter cylinder has an area of a little under 1 square inch. 1 square inch times 2,500psi is 2,500lbs. Thats enough to mangle things well if anything jams or isn't aligned. If 300lbs works, almost 10x than can mess stuff up. A bigger heavier cylinder will also eat up precious loader lift capacity.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #11  
Mine came with one and I really like it. At first I thought it was frivolous, then I made attachment changes without leaving the seat when it was 15 degrees out.
I didn’t think it was frivolous after that.

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   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #12  
That's something I'd never considered; great job!
 
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I have already been thinking of making a hydraulic one :( - It would be a good exercise for me as I could learn more about hydraulics. I did the math also on the force of one and my initial inclination is to use a relief valve.
So being a complete dummy about this. . . is there a 'double acting' relief valve that would bridge the two cylinder ports?
I also thought a restrictor to limit the flow would be a good idea. After all a 1" cylinder doesn't take a whole lot of fluid to push it end to end.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #14  
I did a hydraulic one with tee's on my third function. I did not use a relief valve but I am very careful about alignment when I actuate it. I used ball valves to shut off the cylinder when the third function is needed. since you have to get off anyways to hook up the hoses I just flip the valves after the hoses are hooked up.

The pins are angled and most ssqa flanges are angled so you would have to be very unlucky to manage to catch a pin on an attachment.

i would have to look at the setup more but I think the pins are spring loaded. I have had an attachment that pinned on only partially and I had to cycle the locking pins and no damage was done.
 
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I did a hydraulic one with tee's on my third function. I did not use a relief valve but I am very careful about alignment when I actuate it. I used ball valves to shut off the cylinder when the third function is needed. since you have to get off anyways to hook up the hoses I just flip the valves after the hoses are hooked up.

The pins are angled and most ssqa flanges are angled so you would have to be very unlucky to manage to catch a pin on an attachment.

i would have to look at the setup more but I think the pins are spring loaded. I have had an attachment that pinned on only partially and I had to cycle the locking pins and no damage was done.

lol, as careful as I am James there was one time I missed the pin engaging at all and I was standing right over it manually operating the lever. Didn't realize it until I curled the bucket in the woods and it half fell off. Let's just say I'm a whole lot more attentive now.

I installed 3 rear remotes and plumbed one of them to ssqa

front hoses connected - bird dogger's bracket.jpg


My plan was to used an electric diverter to select the grapple or the ssqa but after reading your post the ball valves sound perfectly adequate. Are they tied together (one handle)?
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #16  
You could use a double selector valve also https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200335627_200335627
There are some other styles such as rotary but this seems to be the most affordable I've found. I have one that I'm putting on my rear blade for the gauge wheel.

As for the pressure relief, I don't think it's needed, I have tried to lock the ssqa with the pins not lined up and it just stalled the 1" cylinder. I'm using a double diverter valve setup so speed isn't an issue but restrictors wouldn't hurt.

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   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #17  
I have already been thinking of making a hydraulic one :( - It would be a good exercise for me as I could learn more about hydraulics. I did the math also on the force of one and my initial inclination is to use a relief valve.
So being a complete dummy about this. . . is there a 'double acting' relief valve that would bridge the two cylinder ports?
I also thought a restrictor to limit the flow would be a good idea. After all a 1" cylinder doesn't take a whole lot of fluid to push it end to end.

A restrictor just slows things down. One of the main advantages of hydraulic over electric linear actuator is speed. Also, just because it's slow doesn't mean something can jam. When it slowly get to the jam it would eventually apply full pressure. You'd have more time to detect an issue, but not a better view or situational awareness.

I've a tiny cylinder and/orcrelief valve. A double acting valve across the ports is correct. Probably set in the 300-1000psi range depending on cylinder diameter.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #18  
You could use a double selector valve also https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200335627_200335627
There are some other styles such as rotary but this seems to be the most affordable I've found. I have one that I'm putting on my rear blade for the gauge wheel.

As for the pressure relief, I don't think it's needed, I have tried to lock the ssqa with the pins not lined up and it just stalled the 1" cylinder. I'm using a double diverter valve setup so speed isn't an issue but restrictors wouldn't hurt.

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Similar valve to the one I have. No relief valve, but I'm hoping my 1" or less cylinder is weak enough to stall on issues.
 
   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #19  
Similar valve to the one I have. No relief valve, but I'm hoping my 1" or less cylinder is weak enough to stall on issues.
If it's on your L4060 then you'll be fine, it should be at the same relief pressure as my L3240. Unless you're changing the geometry from how mine is connected it'll stall a 1" bore cylinder before damage.

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   / Automating the Quick Attach (SSQA) #20  
Mine came with one and I really like it. At first I thought it was frivolous, then I made attachment changes without leaving the seat when it was 15 degrees out.
I didn’t think it was frivolous after that.

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I'd also like auto-attach hydraulic front remotes like on some excavators!
 
 

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