Do any tractor or automotive builders make their own oil, fluid and air filters?

[5030]

I don't believe so but I could be wrong. I know [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] don't for certain but what about other builders?

 

[nybirdman]

I highly doubt it;same with tires+hydraulic hoses ect.But to their specification.Same as the auto business.

 

[5030]

I haver noticed that [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] filters are made in various places including China. I presume made to [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] specs. I know the air filters are made by Donaldson as well as the filter housings. Chinese stuff always scares me because without proper oversight, it can be sub standard.

 

[Dftodd]

No, someone else makes the fluids to the manufacturers standards.

 

[5030]

I do believe that Pennzoil produces [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] fluids (not sure) and they filters are made all over to their specs. I've has filters marked China and South Korea in the past. I don't use [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] fluids, never have. I do use Donaldson air filters however.

 

[ovrszd]

I doubt any manufacturer makes their own fluids, or filters. As to filters, I've always considered Donaldson to be premium quality.

Not trying to derail your thread Daryl, just venting.

In regards to China. I don't blame sub standard product on China. I blame it on our Corporations that wanted to increase their bottom line so they degraded the production specifications and moved production to China to take advantage of cheaper costs......

China can build just as good a product as America can if you are willing to pay for it.

 

[crashz]

I'm pretty sure these are made to the specifications of the auto/engine manufactures. For instance, Ford's Motorcraft oil is made by ConocoPhillips and Korean S-oil. Many other brands are made by Warren in Canada.

Filters are a similar situation, but in my opinion, the quality of the filters are significantly better with the OEM brands. Well, all except AC-Delco. They seem flimsy to me. Standouts that come to mind are Motorcraft fuel filters, [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] hydraulic/transmission filters, and Honda engine oil filters. I have compared those filters with their Wix counterparts (which I tend to believe are decent quality) and feel that the media, housing (if applicable), and seals are all of better quality on the OEM parts.

 

[Dftodd]

I doubt any manufacturer makes their own fluids, or filters. As to filters, I've always considered Donaldson to be premium quality.

Not trying to derail your thread Daryl, just venting.

In regards to China. I don't blame sub standard product on China. I blame it on our Corporations that wanted to increase their bottom line so they degraded the production specifications and moved production to China to take advantage of cheaper costs......

China can build just as good a product as America can if you are willing to pay for it.

I've had subpar filters manufactured in Mexico. Surprisingly enough, they were John Deere branded filters supplied by the local dealer.

Some were threaded wrong for the filter base. Others were labeled with the wrong part number.

 

[ovrszd]

I researched filters a few years ago. AC Delco was considered the best Fram was considered the worst. I primarily use Wix. I regularly change fluids and filters so I don't worry about lifespan.

When I bought my [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] new all the hydraulics was very sluggish when cold. I would fast idle the engine, shift the trans to a gear, move the range selector to neutral, shuttle forward and let it run for a few minutes. This would circulate the trans fluid and make the shuttle work much better in a shorter time.

Someone on here suggested when I change the trans/hydraulic fluid to go to the [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] SUDT2. I did that a couple years ago. Works much better with less warm up required.

 

[ovrszd]

I've had subpar filters manufactured in Mexico. Surprisingly enough, they were John Deere branded filters supplied by the local dealer.

Some were threaded wrong for the filter base. Others were labeled with the wrong part number.

I looked all over for the thumbs down icon but couldn't find it. Things like this infuriate me......

 

[Cougsfan]

I can't imagine any vehicle maker venturing off to make their own oil, fluids and air filters. They would be venturing into areas where they have no expertise. It would likely add expense and reduce quality. What would be the advantage of that? I am trying to understand why you are you even bringing this conversation up?

 

[ovrszd]

I can't imagine any vehicle maker venturing off to make their own oil, fluids and air filters. They would be venturing into areas where they have no expertise. It would likely add expense and reduce quality. What would be the advantage of that? I am trying to understand why you are you even bringing this conversation up?

I think it's a very legitimate conversation.

 

[Cougsfan]

I think it's a very legitimate conversation.

Why do you think that? Is it going to add to the value or quality of a tractor brand that does? Even if I saw a gallon of oil that said "Genuine [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] Oil" on it, I wouldn't believe for a second that [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] made it. They would obviously outsource it as it is would take considerable resources to manufacture it that won't add to their bottom line. They may give the ingredients their blessing, but that is a long ways away from making it.

 

[ovrszd]

Why do you think that? Is it going to add to the value or quality of a tractor brand that does? Even if I saw a gallon of oil that said "Genuine [AFFILIATE='1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"']Kubota[/AFFILIATE] Oil" on it, I wouldn't believe for a second that [AFFILIATE='1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"']Kubota[/AFFILIATE] made it. They would obviously outsource it as it is would take considerable resources to manufacture it that won't add to their bottom line. They may give the ingredients their blessing, but that is a long ways away from making it.

So,,,, this is a valuable conversation to you. Good thing Daryl started the thread so you could express your thoughts on this subject.

 

[5030]

I researched filters a few years ago. AC Delco was considered the best Fram was considered the worst. I primarily use Wix. I regularly change fluids and filters so I don't worry about lifespan.

When I bought my [AFFILIATE='1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"']Kubota[/AFFILIATE] new all the hydraulics was very sluggish when cold. I would fast idle the engine, shift the trans to a gear, move the range selector to neutral, shuttle forward and let it run for a few minutes. This would circulate the trans fluid and make the shuttle work much better in a shorter time.

Someone on here suggested when I change the trans/hydraulic fluid to go to the [AFFILIATE='1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"']Kubota[/AFFILIATE] SUDT2. I did that a couple years ago. Works much better with less warm up required.

If you can afford the cost, go with Chevron All Weather THC synthetic (what I use) it's a bit more than SUDT but I have excellent results with it plus it flows well in cold temps and it's dyed orange of all things. Hard to find. I get mine from my jobber. You can actually see it on a dipstick.

 

[5030]

Why do you think that? Is it going to add to the value or quality of a tractor brand that does? Even if I saw a gallon of oil that said "Genuine [AFFILIATE='1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"']Kubota[/AFFILIATE] Oil" on it, I wouldn't believe for a second that [AFFILIATE='1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"']Kubota[/AFFILIATE] made it. They would obviously outsource it as it is would take considerable resources to manufacture it that won't add to their bottom line. They may give the ingredients their blessing, but that is a long ways away from making it.

Like I said previously, I believe Pennzoil produces [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] UDT and SUDT.

 

[ovrszd]

I'm going to speculate that the majority of [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] owners buying [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] labeled fluid believe [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] made it.

 

[5030]

I'd say you are correct.

 

[Torvy]

I reckon if it ever happens it would be an OEM deciding that buying an oil company would be cost effective.

I would be curious what % of company net profit comes from branded consumables like oil and filters.

 

[mikester]

Henry Ford tried owning every part of the business from the rubber plantations to delivering the final car product but those days are long gone. It's easier to point the finger and beat on suppliers than to keep your own house in order.