New rules for ethanol in gasoline

[Oaktree]

I do know the major power sports companies seem to be switching to efi systems, even simpler throttle body designs on entry level contraptions to help combat burning down the top end, carb issues, when running ethanol and to better meet EPA and eu regs.

"Seem to be switching"? My snowmobile is 22 years old and it has EFI, as did my previous one which was late 90s vintage. My ATV, which is late 00s vintage is also EFI. Can't say for certain that no one still makes a carbureted model, but power sports gear has embraced fuel injection for quite some time now.

No issues with E10 fuel on either one.

 

[Rockbadchild]

"Seem to be switching"? My snowmobile is 22 years old and it has EFI, as did my previous one which was late 90s vintage. My ATV, which is late 00s vintage is also EFI. Can't say for certain that no one still makes a carbureted model, but power sports gear has embraced fuel injection for quite some time now.

No issues with E10 fuel on either one.

Bombardier used to do a 600 snowmobile with carbs, last year was the last edition this year they have a new engine with EFI... I think the only one left with carbs is the polaris indy 550

 

[jjeff]

"Seem to be switching"? My snowmobile is 22 years old and it has EFI, as did my previous one which was late 90s vintage. My ATV, which is late 00s vintage is also EFI. Can't say for certain that no one still makes a carbureted model, but power sports gear has embraced fuel injection for quite some time now.

No issues with E10 fuel on either one.

I believe power sports companies have been dabbling with efi systems for over 30 yrs early 90s Polaris Indy 500 comes to mind, not the most reliable initially though. That was also around the time when I remember seeing early fuel delivery issues on traditional carbs. Including hardened brittle fuel lines, leaking fuel bowls, frozen stuck needle valves, and dreaded widespread top end meltdowns. 5 yrs ago or so all smaller somewhat affordable entry level snowmobiles 600 cc and less were, carbureted, and usually fan cooled. Now skidoo, Yamaha, Arctic scrap all offer smaller cc lighter more affordable snowmobiles with simpler efi.

 

[5030]

The fuel cap on my Kawasaki powered zero turn says on it.
"Higher than E10 fuel voids warranty"

So does mine and so do ALL the small engines I own.

 

[5030]

No issues with E10 fuel on either one.

But E15 might very well be.. Thinking about motorcycles and all those carbed HD's... Not good. I know the AMA was pushing for the abolishment of E15. Guess they lost the battle.

 

[ruffdog]

The rule change is not forcing anything on anybody. It is just allowing E15 to be an option in the winter. I buy E0 most of the time for all my gas equipment or I could go all the way up to E85 on the truck. Nothing is changing for me with the rule change. Why get worked up about it?

EPA proposes allowing year-round sale of cheaper, higher-ethanol gas blends in Wisconsin and seven other states

 

[cqaigy2]

I feel left out of the club because I've been using E10 in everything I own since the 80s with no fuel related problems ever. Go figure?

Ha ha, ditto.

 

[Username Taken]

So does mine and so do ALL the small engines I own.

Ethanol E15 Fuel Small Engine Damage

E15 isn't safe for your lawn equipment, so you'd better keep an eye out as it starts making its way to market.

www.greenindustrypros.com

According to the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI), small engine-powered equipment is not designed to run on anything greater than E10. Improperly filling your lawn equipment with E15 could result in irreversible engine damage, in addition to exposing operators to a variety of safety risks.

 

[deserteagle71]

The rule change is not forcing anything on anybody. It is just allowing E15 to be an option in the winter. I buy E0 most of the time for all my gas equipment or I could go all the way up to E85 on the truck. Nothing is changing for me with the rule change. Why get worked up about it?

Because in all too many locations E0 is impossible to find! None available in my area until about 3 years ago. Now we have one station that has one pump with E0. It is the ONLY station carrying E0 within 130 that I know about. So if the stations decide to go to E15, what do we fuel our equipment with?

 

[RustyA]

Rule change proposed is to allow stations that sell E15 in addition to E10 to be able to offer it as a purchase option year round not just seasonally.