Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[LouNY]

Yep, everyone with their own solar and then we get lots of large scale solar everything is just fine as long as the sun is constant.
Once there is sufficient solar that conventional plants have to be on hot standby to handle the dips and surges to maintain the infrastructure as needed what a nightmare that is going to be. With conventional plants having to ram up and down rapidly to compensate for other none steady or stable soruces, brown outs like we have never seen, power fluctuations all over the interconnected grid. All these so called "green" states with their green energy relying on a missive out of state grid to maintain a stable utility for them.

 

[jyoutz]

Yep, everyone with their own solar and then we get lots of large scale solar everything is just fine as long as the sun is constant.
Once there is sufficient solar that conventional plants have to be on hot standby to handle the dips and surges to maintain the infrastructure as needed what a nightmare that is going to be. With conventional plants having to ram up and down rapidly to compensate for other none steady or stable soruces, brown outs like we have never seen, power fluctuations all over the interconnected grid. All these so called "green" states with their green energy relying on a missive out of state grid to maintain a stable utility for them.

Our state grid has natural gas turbine power plants that produce 60% of power, with wind and solar producing the remainder. NG plants have a very short ramp up cycle compared to coal plants. They do this continuously day to day as power is needed. And there are steady increases in renewable power being built. Thinking beyond 1950s coal plants.

 

[Jstpssng]

There are several panel manufacters in USA. Built in USA is more costly. So, what about only giving incentives to made in American products if we are to continue giving incentives?
But you will always have the nay sayers, those refusing to change, spreading falshoods or not totally telling the truth. Some of truth is, there is no perfect energy, no guarantees, someone will always be a non beliver no matter what the proposal is. But I feel like we have to keep researching to find alternatives. There are several of us that have proved solar works, at least on a residential scale. Not sure why it can't be a bigger part...

Are they digging the minerals from here?

 

[Rockbadchild]

Our issue here (and why we successfully fought and won over a massive solar installation was), here in SE Michigan, the farm ground is very fertile and productive and a solar install would take X number of acres out of production. Real simple.

Never like the term 'solar farm' anyway. It's not a farm at all, it's an industrial installation. Companies that do that stuff like to use that term to make them seem palatable. Nothing more.

The Lord ain't making any more farm ground last time I checked.

most cities are built on the most fertile ground there is... we should cancel them...

 

[5030]

Our state grid has natural gas turbine power plants that produce 60% of power, with wind and solar producing the remainder. NG plants have a very short ramp up cycle compared to coal plants. They do this continuously day to day as power is needed. And there are steady increases in renewable power being built. Thinking beyond 1950s coal plants.

But the current administrations 'war on fossil fuels' includes NG which last time I checked was a fossil fuel. You won't be able to rely on your Peakers plants to fill the gap when NG production is curtailed. Ever consider that aspect?

Bet not.

 

[5030]

most cities are built on the most fertile ground there is... we should cancel them...

Sounds to me like a Justin wet dream.

 

[5030]

Gotta wonder......the gov't really wants to push solar, and use my tax money to give out to people or companies to do such.....

.....But why is the roof tops of all our big gov't buildings covered in solar panels? Why is the white house, capitol building, pentagon, etc.....why are their roofs not totally blanketed in panels and have windmills on the south lawn?

I've said more than once that a mega wind farm should be built around DC to collect and use all the hot air generated by our basically worthless politicians. Lots of wind there....

 

[5030]

most cities are built on the most fertile ground there is... we should cancel them...

Lets start with Windsor, Toronto and Ottawa, eh?

 

[LouNY]

Our state grid has natural gas turbine power plants that produce 60% of power, with wind and solar producing the remainder. NG plants have a very short ramp up cycle compared to coal plants. They do this continuously day to day as power is needed. And there are steady increases in renewable power being built. Thinking beyond 1950s coal plants.

New Mexico is blessed with an abundance of NG and the pipelines to distribute it. Yes the gas turbines will ramp up for load variations quickly, but when you have several needing to jump for 40% capacity to 100% even those pipelines can become a limiting factor.
And the most of rest of the nation does not have a robust NG distribution system many areas have curtailment programs for large industrial users that have to cut production if the gas is needed for home heating or power production.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

This is the view from my back porch. Imagine if it became the second picture?