Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[jyoutz]

Maybe, maybe not. Most are being converted to NG which makes a great deal of sense considering we have so much of it compared to windmills and solar panels which require land acquisition, new infrastructure and a lot of foreign built parts. Then it doesn’t work if it’s dark (solar) or if there’s no wind (windmills).

I have seen both ways with new gas plants: conversion of coal plants, and abandonment of coal plants to build new gas turbine facilities.

 

[TIMMYDUCK]

This mornings picture of my abutter.

Guarantees me 22 more years of peace an quiet .

Land went from a 25000 tax bill as agriculture to a 200000 as a solar farm, which is another plus .

 

[jyoutz]

A new mega project:

A Massive Transmission Line Will Send Wind Power From Wyoming to California

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[MossRoad]

Here's a rabbit hole for everyone's enjoyment...
Interactive map of the US energy infrastructure and resources. Pretty interesting.

Geoscience Intersections

www.americangeosciences.org

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Right. Something like that you CANNOT easily get rid of. People who think otherwise don’t know what they are talking about. Here are some o the things that need to be done to reclaim and remediate a wind farm:
Someone would have to safely clear, clean, and remove:
 each wind turbine generator, each substation, all liquids contained in a generator or substation, and each installed overhead power or communications line;
 each tower and pad-mount transformer foundation from the ground at least three feet from the grade of the affected land; and
 each buried cable installed in the ground at least three feet below the grade of the affected land.
The agreement would have to provide that, at the request of the landowner, the grantee would clear, clean, and remove each road constructed on the property. If reasonable, the agreement also would have to provide that the grantee, at the request of the landowner, would remove all rocks over 12 inches in diameter excavated during the decommissioning process, return the property to a tillable state using certain methods, and return the surface as near as possible to the same condition as before the grantee dug holes.
For the removal of towers, pad-mount transformers, buried cables, roads, and excavated rocks, the grantee would have to ensure that holes created by the removal were filled with topsoil.

Expensive is not enough of a word for it.

You forgot soil remediation from all that leaking oil. You can tell those in favor are not farmers. Internet research .

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Yeah, but he doesn’t have to mow around windmills If he doesn’t lease out his land. It’s his choice, so what is he complaining about?

Not complaining at all but simply pointing out facts in opposition. One example: his friend buys an EV that gets dinged so takes it to a body shop. They smell smoke...EV is burning. Body shop calls manufacturer who tells them what cables to cut. The car later is burning so fire department comes out...thousands of gallons water. Body shop calls customer to get EV off their lot which he does. Manufacturer won't cover it nor will insurance so it's sitting in a junk yard while he makes payments on it.
Eviscerate me...go for it...

 

[wawajake]

Is concrete impacts included in the supposed " enviro green" of windmills ? Concrete: the world's third largest CO2 emitter

 

[bnold]

You forgot soil remediation from all that leaking oil. You can tell those in favor are not farmers. Internet research .

Yet it is farmers/ranchers signing up for the leases?

Just because some on here aren’t fans, doesn’t mean all landowners aren’t fans.

 

[bnold]

Not complaining at all but simply pointing out facts in opposition. One example: his friend buys an EV that gets dinged so takes it to a body shop. They smell smoke...EV is burning. Body shop calls manufacturer who tells them what cables to cut. The car later is burning so fire department comes out...thousands of gallons water. Body shop calls customer to get EV off their lot which he does. Manufacturer won't cover it nor will insurance so it's sitting in a junk yard while he makes payments on it.
Eviscerate me...go for it...

Sounds like an insurance claim to me.

If the body shop laid a finger on it, probably their insurance. If not, EV owners insurance.

Ever see an ICE engulfed in flames on the side of the road? Insurance covered that.

 

[walhondingMF]

Here's a rabbit hole for everyone's enjoyment...
Interactive map of the US energy infrastructure and resources. Pretty interesting.

Geoscience Intersections

www.americangeosciences.org

Very interesting map. I would love to use it in class. Unfortunately, its last update was in 2021. Our new plant is not listed.

 

[MossRoad]

You forgot soil remediation from all that leaking oil. You can tell those in favor are not farmers. Internet research .

Yet every wind farm in Indiana is on farm land. How could that be?

Because farmers are leasing their lands and approve of the projects.

 

[MossRoad]

Very interesting map. I would love to use it in class. Unfortunately, its last update was in 2021. Our new plant is not listed.

I saw that one of the local solar farms isn't on it yet, either. A lot can happen in 2 years.

 

[turnkey4099]

Yet every wind farm in Indiana is on farm land. How could that be?

Because farmers are leasing their lands and approve of the projects.

Yeo, Renting it out to harvest wind pasys far better than any crop they could grow.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Yet every wind farm in Indiana is on farm land. How could that be?

Because farmers are leasing their lands and approve of the projects.

Some people will do anything to make a buck. A Mennonite farmer friend has been offered $millions for his farm, he says he would rather have farm than money, he's the exception.
A neighbor here was approached by a cell tower installer, signed an agreement since the money would put his kids through college. Once he found out neighbors were opposed he changed his mind.
Most people never reason things out.

 

[MossRoad]

Some people will do anything to make a buck. A Mennonite farmer friend has been offered $millions for his farm, he says he would rather have farm than money, he's the exception.
A neighbor here was approached by a cell tower installer, signed an agreement since the money would put his kids through college. Once he found out neighbors were opposed he changed his mind.
Most people never reason things out.

See, that's the beauty of the wind lease. Unlike your friend who was offered money for his farm, and would no longer have his farm, the wind farm leases means the farmer keeps their land.

Also, they're doing a service to the community by creating temp construction jobs, a few full time jobs, and generating huge taxes for the community VS the piddly amount that farming crops would bring.

 

[two_bit_score]

Then negotiate that in the lease or bond. Or choose to not lease. Land owner’s choice.

There have been people who did not lease. I mentioned that already.Texas actually has a statute the spells out the details of clean up as a starting point and provides that the basics are non-voidable between the landowner and lessee/operator. It requires a bond but every situation will be different. I'm going to be seeing one of the drafters of that legislation in the next couple days and I'll ask some questions about the cost/amounts of the bonds.

As far as landowners choice it is too easy for operators to take advantage of some landowners who later come to regret their decisions.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

See, that's the beauty of the wind lease. Unlike your friend who was offered money for his farm, and would no longer have his farm, the wind farm leases means the farmer keeps their land.

Also, they're doing a service to the community by creating temp construction jobs, a few full time jobs, and generating huge taxes for the community VS the piddly amount that farming crops would bring.

In life it's much better looking at ALL aspects.
Ok...I have a farm. Acme Corp shows up " we'll pay you $5,000 month to put up a windmill. Only takes up 100 sq.ft., we'll remove everything...yadda-yadda, sign here.
Now...$50K would be taxed income. Suppose they install & go belly up? Suppose 100s gallons oil leaks out? A road to it for maintenance, effects on your livestock? The noise, lights, who's responsible something happens? How it affects your insurance, property taxes, neighbors? We HAVE an infrastructure that works...why do I (we) need it?
In your world I plant crops all around it...except for the access road...oil, parts/birds fall on my crops.
There are two worlds...the God created natural rural land and the man created technological urban land. I live in the country for a reason. Mixing the two is my idea of he((.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

In life it's much better looking at ALL aspects.
Ok...I have a farm. Acme Corp shows up " we'll pay you $5,000 month to put up a windmill. Only takes up 100 sq.ft., we'll remove everything...yadda-yadda, sign here.
Now...$50K would be taxed income. Suppose they install & go belly up? Suppose 100s gallons oil leaks out? A road to it for maintenance, effects on your livestock? The noise, lights, who's responsible something happens? How it affects your insurance, property taxes, neighbors? We HAVE an infrastructure that works...why do I (we) need it?
In your world I plant crops all around it...except for the access road...oil, parts/birds fall on my crops.
There are two worlds...the God created natural rural land and the man created technological urban land. I live in the country for a reason. Mixing the two is my idea of he((.

You get a lawyer that specializes in windmills to write the lease to cover all concerns. Just like people do in oil and gas well leases.

 

[Jstpssng]

Then negotiate that in the lease or bond. Or choose to not lease. Land owner’s choice.

After 30 years it will likely be a different landowner, and somebody else’s problem.

 

[Hay Dude]

Solyndra anyone?