Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[kenmbz]

In Western MA I saw the gov step in and pay farmers not to grow potatoes.
So the Gov has been interfering in farming for almost as long as it's existed here in the US.
People seem to forget this.

When I was a kid, the school lunches were so cheap since the food came from gov buying and taking food out of circulation and still pay farmers for the "unsold" food that the gov stored in huge warehouses.
They did this until is became too expensive to ship to the schools. For a while they just threw it out as it was cheaper than distribution.

 

[walhondingMF]

Yes, but NOTHING like these new green energy subsidies.
These are being funded by taxpayers on emotion.

I have to disagree. I believe that is an easy narrative to push. It was an easy narrative for company owners to use the few remaining underground coal miners as victims of political decisions when in reality, it was business decisions (NG just started to out compete coal). The same applies to this situation, just in reverse. It's easy to find some emotional people and them "blame" them for the presumed "issue." Textbook gas lighting. If you clicked on the map that mossroad posted, you will see a **** load of solar. It would have been impossible to have all those solar facilities built SINCE the Green New Deal was put into place. Solar has been on the rise for years, especially in place where they have A. Lots of sun and B. They do not want to pay to to have coal or gas transported to where they live. The subsidies were put in place because alternatives were on the rise and to finally make them competitive with conventional fossil fuels.

Also, new NG technology and infrastructure falls under these new subsidies. I have 3 in-laws that work in the gas industries. Their companies are making money hand over fist right now, most of which was triggered by the new deal. Drilling and pipeline construction have returned to pre-pandemic rates.

 

[turbo36]

Imminent Eminent?

JPMorgan CEO suggests government seize private property to quicken climate initiatives

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon floated the idea of the U.S. government and corporations seizing private property to expedite achieving their climate agenda.

www.foxnews.com

Last time I checked, Jamie Dimon was not a government official. his comments have about as much weight as ”Ego” Musk’s comments.

 

[turbo36]

Yes, but NOTHING like these new green energy subsidies.
These are being funded by taxpayers on emotion.

Oh, I see, they’re all pregnant, but some are more pregnant than others!

 

[Blue Mule]

Some people have got together in one of our communities and are planning on installing a huge multi-acre solar farm on property adjacent to my daughter's and sister-in-law's property. They will be surrounded to the north and south of their properties and across the road. Their property value will go to nearly nothing.

Has anybody fought the installation of one of these?

Any ideas?

RSKY

Since you're in Kentucky like me, I'll just say this... I know someone who is a top dog in our state Energy and Environment Cabinet and he is not a fan of solar farms.

- They use up valuable land that could be used for agriculture or other purposes
- They don't generate nearly enough electricity to justify the cost
- They are an environmental nightmare when the panels reach end of life
- They don't work when covered with snow or ice
- They harbor other problems and require constant maintenance of grounds or hardware
- They require the energy produced to be stored in batteries which are also an environmental nightmare

You could likely contact KY EEC and plead your case. Not sure they could stop a solar farm on private lands but they may "discourage" it enough to cause the owners to change their minds.

 

[/pine]

You know what they say about opinions.
Stay in your lane of expertise, if there is one
LMAO

hehehe...what I'm LMAO at is hay growers that call themselves farmers....too funny...!

like a "hay flea"...hopping from field to field...!

 

[JJT]

I wish I knew for sure what some of the farmers in West Texas were getting in lease payments. But what I was told by someone that has a relative farming around the windmills is they made more money off the leases than they did from the crops.

I would think that it is close to correct as there is a lot of farmers taking advantage of the program. So if it benefits the farmer and it is his land he can do whatever he sees fit in my book. Hopefully they are doing well!

The lease values are well known for both wind turbines and solar. A typical 5mw wind turbine sited on less than an acre produces as much power as 35 acres of solar panels. The lease payments are based on production, not the amount of land used. Both of these 5mw scenarios around me would net the land owner a $50K check annually for the next 30 - 40 years.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

hehehe...what I'm LMAO at is hay growers that call themselves farmers....too funny...!

like a "hay flea"...hopping from field to field...!

Hay is absolutely a crop! We raise some and buy most...horse quality hay. It requires a tremendous amount of work, weed control, fertilizer, equipment. The farmer we buy from
was a dairy farmer, now hay. His square baler he recently bought bales and bundles 21 large bales in one operation and costs more than most people's new homes. He also recently had several large steel buildings built for storage, each over $1/4M.

 

[turbo36]

Since you're in Kentucky like me, I'll just say this... I know someone who is a top dog in our state Energy and Environment Cabinet and he is not a fan of solar farms.

- They use up valuable land that could be used for agriculture or other purposes
- They don't generate nearly enough electricity to justify the cost
- They are an environmental nightmare when the panels reach end of life
- They don't work when covered with snow or ice
- They harbor other problems and require constant maintenance of grounds or hardware
- They require the energy produced to be stored in batteries which are also an environmental nightmare

You could likely contact KY EEC and plead your case. Not sure they could stop a solar farm on private lands but they may "discourage" it enough to cause the owners to change their minds.

Well, I have a friend that’s very “high up” in the government and he says all your comments are wrong.
how about some data to back up all your points?

 

[/pine]

Hay is absolutely a crop! We raise some and buy most...horse quality hay. It requires a tremendous amount of work, weed control, fertilizer, equipment. The farmer we buy from
was a dairy farmer, now hay. His square baler he recently bought bales and bundles 21 large bales in one operation and costs more than most people's new homes. He also recently had several large steel buildings built for storage, each over $1/4M.

It's a big business...but in the true sense of the word hay growers are not really farmers IMO...!

No different than commercial clam diggers calling themselves commercial fishermen...

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

It's a big business...but in the true sense of the word hay growers are not really farmers IMO...!

No different than commercial clam diggers calling themselves commercial fishermen...

What is your definition of a "real" farmer?

 

[/pine]

What is your definition of a "real" farmer?

Someone that works on a real farm...!

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I'm confused. The dairy farmer's great-grandparents were farmers on down the line. They own several farms. The dairy business isn't lucrative, used to be one across the road...even this used to be a small dairy. Now hay...at $13/bale, they get three cuttings and 100,000 bales.
It's very much a crop and lots of expensive equipment.

 

[walhondingMF]

Even though we have disagreed a bit here, I have to step in for these hay farmers...

Hay farming fills a huge agricultural requirement for our country. As stated, a large portion of livestock farmers, whether it be for livestock or even those with horses for recreation, depend on hay farming because they either lack the ground to raise their own feed or prevents the purchasing of their own equipment.
Hay farming is a great second or alternative income for small farmers or property owners. Many hay farmers I know work full time jobs and making hay provides them some extra money along with a way to retain land they own rather then have to sell it out. Some parts of the country, much like Noble county, OH where I live is very poor crop ground, but it is great hay ground.
And as crop growing agricultural practices go, hay is one of the most environmental. Do hay farmers have to use artificial fertilizers in a lot of cases, yes, but it is too costly to over do it. Very little, if any, pesticides are used to grow hay.
A hay field is not tilled, therefore retaining the stored carbon. In comparable biomass terms, grass sequesters 6x more carbon than trees do. Ground used to produce hay contains exponentially more biodiversity in the forms of microbes, fungi, invertebrates and plants.
Not to mention a hay farmer has to own and maintain FARMING equipment. They are farmers.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Hay is a crop, and is farming as much as any other crop is farming.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Some parts of the country, much like Noble county, OH where I live is very poor crop ground, but it is great hay ground.

Our farm is next county over.

 

[walhondingMF]

Our farm is next county over.

Then you understand exactly what I mean.

I'm sure Baker and Sons sells a lot more haybines and rakes than they do corn choppers and silage wagons.

 

[Oaktree]

There are two worlds...the God created natural rural land and the man created technological urban land. I live in the country for a reason. Mixing the two is my idea of he((.

Are you saying you don't use any modern technology?

 

[Oaktree]

Let’s save our country from being over run by foreign junk and sending trillions overseas.

I have a I-phone and an I-pad!
They go with me to work silly!

A bit self-contradictory don't you think?

 

[/pine]

Hay is a crop, and is farming as much as any other crop is farming. IMO

I fixed it for ya...!