Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Internet research?

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

personally I wouldn't want panels close just for the aesthetics. Change is often uncomfortable.

but living in an ag. area I also wouldn't want
- a new hog lagoon across the road (smell)
- the dust and noise during seeding / harvest (dust)
- the smell during manure application process (smell)
- an industrial warehouse or storage facility (spoils view)
- a wind farm (spoils view)
- cell tower (spoils view)
- a cattle finishing lot (smell and view)
- a chicken barn (smell and view)
- feed manufacturing facilty (dust and smell)
- hay storage facility (smell and rats)
-etc...

I guess I am getting cranky as I age, I just don't like change

I wouldn't want most of those either, but I respect the personal property rights of my neighbors to have any of these if it helps them economically.
I'm a bit cranky about this stuff too, but there is really nothing I can really do about any of it if the local zoning allows for it.

 

[MossRoad]

Internet research?

Reality.

 

[Citydude]

Reality.

Reality that the total atmospheric content of co2 is 0.04%. ?

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

Reality.

I didn't mean to offend...but personal experience?
It would take lots of scientific research to figure out what's best for the environment:
1,000 acres of solar panels or 1,000 acres of trees?

 

[MossRoad]

I didn't mean to offend...but personal experience?
It would take lots of scientific research to figure out what's best for the environment:
1,000 acres of solar panels or 1,000 acres of trees?

I've read over the info regarding a couple large solar installations. And the comments from the farmers that are going to lease their land for these installations. It's going to give the land a rest, keep it in their family, provide good income, consume less water, fuel and chemicals, reduce erosion, and provide more taxes to the local economy than the crop activities did by a large factor. Those farmers are in agreement on this.

As has been said here so many times over so many years:

- Farmers are stewards of the land.
- Don't tell others what they can do on their own land.
- Private property.
- A man's home is his castle.
- HOAs suck because they take freedom away.
- If you don't want that next to you, you should have bought the land.
- You can always move if you don't like it.
- Right to farm.
- Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie and Chevrolet...(well, Ford, because GM bailout).....

That is, until that farmer wants to do something that you don't agree with.

WHOOOA Nelly!

We can go back on TBN through the years and find multiple posts about people putting hog farms and manure piles next to neighbors just to spite them and lots of folks jumping in and laughing about it.

People building subdivisions next to farm land, and then complaining about the noises, smells, and dirt when the land is cultivated.

City folks trying to impose their ways on the country folks, etc.

The bottom line is these large solar farms are going in on farm land with the farmer-owner's blessings.

 

[MossRoad]

I didn't mean to offend...but personal experience?
It would take lots of scientific research to figure out what's best for the environment:
1,000 acres of solar panels or 1,000 acres of trees?

Oh, and no offense taken. It's a conversation. Just doesn't come across pleasantly in type sometimes.

 

[Fixastuff]

It would take lots of scientific research to figure out what's best for the environment:

Like EVs vs ICE? Lol.

 

[ericm979]

I didn't mean to offend...but personal experience?
It would take lots of scientific research to figure out what's best for the environment:
1,000 acres of solar panels or 1,000 acres of trees?

The problem is that trees are not forever. They die. Dead trees that are not turned into wood products (and a good part of those that are) rot. When trees rot, micro organisms turn wood and oxygen into energy and CO2. Wood products eventually rot and turn into CO2 as well. Trees only sequester carbon as long as they live. It's a cycle. Carbon in the air goes into trees and then it goes back to the air.

There's also a lot of carbon (dead trees) that's been buried by geologic processes. Nothing can get to it so it is therefore unavailable for the carbon cycle. That's why our CO2 level is not more like what's on Venus where it's 900 degrees and there are rivers of molten metal.

That is until we started removing the safely buried carbon and using it for energy. We're burning enough to change the climate in a way that's small on a geologic time scale but damaging for human civilization. The more of that stuff we leave in the ground, the less climate change we'll see.

The energy from the solar panels (hopefully) replaces some of the energy we'd get from stored carbon where the trees just store carbon temporarily. So the solar panels would be better for climate change than trees.

 

[Hay Dude]

You should read the book "The Millionaire Next Door" for more insight into "blue collar wealth" accumulation. I read the book "Rich Dad Poor Dad" when it first came out in 1997, It changed my life. I was working for a really good company making pretty good wages but I was spending as much or more than I was making. I sold everything I owed money on and got out of debt in a little over a year, started my first business in 1998. I used "Debt Snowball method" before Dave Ramsey and didn't have to go bankrupt to learn my lesson.

I read it when it came out decades ago and followed many of it’s suggestions
I am VERY comfortable. Don’t worry about me.
I like to look out for my brothers & sisters being buried in the BS high inflation, high energy cost last 2 years.