Fighting 'Solar Farm' Installation

lman · Apr 24, 2023

Fuddyduddy1952 said:
Ok...here's a thought (Muhammad will like, it insults no one). Follow my logic please:
Solar panels are being installed to supply more power to the grid...correct?
We "need" more power because of all the EV chargers...correct?
EVs are to lower CO2...correct? That's what we're told anyway.
To install those panels 600+ acres of trees are destroyed. Trees take in CO2, give off O...correct?
Does any of this make any logical sense?

It's all about the money. Follow the money.

Fuddyduddy1952 · Apr 24, 2023

lman said:
It's all about the money. Follow the money.

Bingo!

RSKY · Apr 24, 2023

Fuddyduddy1952 said:
Ok...here's a thought (Muhammad will like, it insults no one). Follow my logic please:
Solar panels are being installed to supply more power to the grid...correct?
We "need" more power because of all the EV chargers...correct?
EVs are to lower CO2...correct? That's what we're told anyway.
To install those panels 600+ acres of trees are destroyed. Trees take in CO2, give off O...correct?
Does any of this make any logical sense?

According to the Real Estate people most of the houses next to or surrounded by the solar farm will loose 20-50% of value.

Also we are on the TVA system with about the lowest energy rates in the country. When TVA was contacted they knew nothing about the solar farm. Who are they selling the power to?

RSKY

Hay Dude · Apr 25, 2023

RSKY said:
According to the Real Estate people most of the houses next to or surrounded by the solar farm will loose 20-50% of value.

Also we are on the TVA system with about the lowest energy rates in the country. When TVA was contacted they knew nothing about the solar farm. Who are they selling the power to?

RSKY

Whoopsie daisies lol

turbo36 · Apr 25, 2023

Hay Dude said:
Yep! That is so true. There are members here who I assumed to be “blue collar/average joe” only to find out they are sitting on valuable acreage or own large companies and are worth millions. I didn’t find out because they bragged. One or 2 of them really surprised me.

You should read the book "The Millionaire Next Door" for more insight into "blue collar wealth" accumulation. I read the book "Rich Dad Poor Dad" when it first came out in 1997, It changed my life. I was working for a really good company making pretty good wages but I was spending as much or more than I was making. I sold everything I owed money on and got out of debt in a little over a year, started my first business in 1998. I used "Debt Snowball method" before Dave Ramsey and didn't have to go bankrupt to learn my lesson.

walhondingMF · Apr 25, 2023

For the sake of progress on this topic, I would like to make a point...

I think we can all agree that cutting acres of trees down for any activity is a negative to some degree. I think we can all agree that removing grassland/ farmland for any activity to some degree is a negative. I think we can all agree that anyone losing property value (because its really the most valuable thing anyone has) because of what their neighbors do is a negative to a large degree.

We have been having a discussion about the wrong thing. The 3 things I listed above can and do happen for any and all forms of energy production (as I and many others have referenced already). We shouldn't be debating which form of energy production options we think are best. We should be discussing 1. how much right one land owner has over their neighbor when one's actions will impact the others 2. what or if the impacted property owner has a right to fair compensation for the loss in value 3. the power that energy corporations have with little responsibility (just ask West Virginia and Kentucky about how well off the coal industry has left them) and 4. what is truly the best way to power our lifestyles. I have my opinions on all of these and I am interested in the opinion of others.

Thanks for bearing with me on that.

MossRoad · Apr 25, 2023

Fuddyduddy1952 said:
Ok...here's a thought (Muhammad will like, it insults no one). Follow my logic please:
Solar panels are being installed to supply more power to the grid...correct?
We "need" more power because of all the EV chargers...correct?
EVs are to lower CO2...correct? That's what we're told anyway.
To install those panels 600+ acres of trees are destroyed. Trees take in CO2, give off O...correct?
Does any of this make any logical sense?

No. That's not the reason for increased solar production. Increased solar production is to replace fossil fuel based production.

As of 2021:

Less than 1% of all retail electricity sales goes towards transportation. That includes all transportation, trains, cars, buses, trucks, etc.

Of all sources of energy consumption by energy source, 12% comes from renewables (geothermal, solar, wind, hydro, biomass, etc.)

About 12% of that 12% comes from solar. That's about 0.00694 of all solar goes towards electric transportation. The rest goes towards industrial, commercial, and residential use.

U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

U.S. energy supply by types of energy sources and energy consumption by transportation, industrial, commercial, residential, and electric power sectors.

www.eia.gov

Citydude · Apr 25, 2023

RSKY said:
According to the Real Estate people most of the houses next to or surrounded by the solar farm will loose 20-50% of value.

Also we are on the TVA system with about the lowest energy rates in the country. When TVA was contacted they knew nothing about the solar farm. Who are they selling the power to?

RSKY

The solar farm has to have infrastructure to deliver the power somewhere. TVA being not aware of that size of system is very odd.

Citydude · Apr 25, 2023

walhondingMF said:
For the sake of progress on this topic, I would like to make a point...

I think we can all agree that cutting acres of trees down for any activity is a negative to some degree. I think we can all agree that removing grassland/ farmland for any activity to some degree is a negative. I think we can all agree that anyone losing property value (because its really the most valuable thing anyone has) because of what their neighbors do is a negative to a large degree.

We have been having a discussion about the wrong thing. The 3 things I listed above can and do happen for any and all forms of energy production (as I and many others have referenced already). We shouldn't be debating which form of energy production options we think are best. We should be discussing 1. how much right one land owner has over their neighbor when one's actions will impact the others 2. what or if the impacted property owner has a right to fair compensation for the loss in value 3. the power that energy corporations have with little responsibility (just ask West Virginia and Kentucky about how well off the coal industry has left them) and 4. what is truly the best way to power our lifestyles. I have my opinions on all of these and I am interested in the opinion of others.

Thanks for bearing with me on that.

All three questions require knowing the States property laws. Which means all three would require a lawyer.

MossRoad · Apr 25, 2023

turbo36 said:
You should read the book "The Millionaire Next Door" for more insight into "blue collar wealth" accumulation. I read the book "Rich Dad Poor Dad" when it first came out in 1997, It changed my life. I was working for a really good company making pretty good wages but I was spending as much or more than I was making. I sold everything I owed money on and got out of debt in a little over a year, started my first business in 1998. I used "Debt Snowball method" before Dave Ramsey and didn't have to go bankrupt to learn my lesson.

I'm not a big fan of Dave Ramsey, but he does do a great job of helping people that are in financial stress understand where their money is going, how to get out a financial hole they're in (for whatever reason), and how to get to a point in their life where the main concern isn't "how am I going to pay my debts?"

We make average wages and have been debt free since 1995. It has its plus side.

I still can't make solar pencil out as a good return on investment for our house. There's a HUGE solar farm coming a few miles west of us. It's receiving mostly positive reviews from the community where it's going in.

The IBEW is advertising for people to start a career in the electrical field (pun not intended). And they're looking for people to work in the solar farm construction.

The only way to tell if it's gonna pan out financially, environmentally, etc., is to try it. And if someone's gonna spend that kind of money, it might as well be here.