Solar Farm #2, dangers involved.

[Hay Dude]

Are you saying that having 3 rust bucket cars sitting out on the front lawn with overgrown weeds along with a 20' TV antenna off the side of the house isn't attractive?

I remember when I spent each weekend paddling in WV and upstate NY when I lived in Pa. I could literally forget which state I was in on a weekend until someone spoke and I heard a dialect) Pick ANY state in our 50 and you will find homes that looks like a dump (generally with no trespassing signs on them, which I could never figure out because it really never looks like a place I want to trespass on LOL). Reality is although I might have to take a second look at the place "just because", it's their home, their land, and they can knock themselves out on what they want to do or not do with their place.

You don't want someone building something around you, have enough land to make it happen.

Think deeper.
Many “homes that looks like a dump” are owned/occupied by older, maybe frail people possibly in poor health, or lacking sophisticated security systems they can’t afford . Or maybe they are far from police help. Maybe it’s a “dump” because they are falling behind on payments, or lack the ability to afford landscaping or nicer lawn care because inflation and interest rates and energy costs are at all-time highs.
The signs, although just a piece of paper, give a warning. Maybe it’s all they can afford.

 

[dodge man]

I get that people can afford only so much. There is a difference though when they have junk and trash everywhere.

 

[bnold]

Have you been reading anything about Chinese labor practices? Uighars? Chinese stealing US patents?

So we have to try to compete with criminal crap like that? Human rights violators? People making 1/10th what we make? Them stealing literally every breakthrough in technology we invent?

Really?

Chinese/Russia/others have been stealing US designs for a long time. Likely, probably to a smaller extent the US does the same. Folks have been backwards engineering other companies products forever. Chinese/Russian hacking US companies gets a lot more press.

Compete or complain or do whatever you think makes a difference, I guess.
China has their own economic problems.

Panels on my shop are REC… Norwegian company with operational arm out of Singapore with North American, Europe and Asian regional headquarters.

Some US manufacturing for show, but the majority manufactured in Singapore, not China I guess.

 

[Hay Dude]

Chinese/Russia/others have been stealing US designs for a long time. Likely, probably to a smaller extent the US does the same. Folks have been backwards engineering other companies products forever. Chinese/Russian hacking US companies gets a lot more press.

Compete or complain or do whatever you think makes a difference, I guess.
China has their own economic problems.

Panels on my shop are REC… Norwegian company with operational arm out of Singapore with North American, Europe and Asian regional headquarters.

Some US manufacturing for show, but the majority manufactured in Singapore, not China I guess.

Globalists all squawk about ”level playing fields”. China has the playing field slanted in their behavior.
And there’s nothing wrong with competing and complaining at the same time. Human rights violations from Chinese manufacturing are known world wide. To have their crap created by slave labor when it should be US made is disgraceful.

I don’t know how anyone could support this questionable solar energy infrastructure, built by a very adversarial & hostile country, possibly with slave labor, replacing American infrastructure could be supported by ANY patriotic American.

 

[Sigarms]

Think deeper.
Many “homes that looks like a dump” are owned/occupied by older, maybe frail people possibly in poor health, or lacking sophisticated security systems they can’t afford . Or maybe they are far from police help. Maybe it’s a “dump” because they are falling behind on payments, or lack the ability to afford landscaping or nicer lawn care because inflation and interest rates and energy costs are at all-time highs.
The signs, although just a piece of paper, give a warning. Maybe it’s all they can afford.

Sorry, that's complete BS.

I lived in a trailer in WV and it was kept clean. No trash anywhere, and everything had it's place in the small area of land.

My wife's grandfather was literally poor minister most of his life, but between him and his wife, their very small homes and gardens we're always kept clean and tidy.

The reality is you don't have to have money to have pride in where you live. You just need to care.

Lacking sophisticated security systems? Dogs and guns have worked just fine for me

 

[Sigarms]

I get that people can afford only so much. There is a difference though when they have junk and trash everywhere.

BINGO.

That said, if someone wants to keep their place littered with junk or trash, it's not my place to tell them how they should live.

Our one neighbor was always aggravated because our dogs would go over to his trailer. I told him it would help if he didn't throw his food outside. New tenants have dogs themselves, they don't throw food outside, and guess what? Our dogs don't go over there anymore looking for a meal.

 

[Torvy]

How about if 75% of the power used has to be generated within 25 miles? Tear down Queens to power Manhattan? Part of the problem is the people who are demanding so-called clean energy are also saying NIMBY.

 

[Hay Dude]

Sorry, that's complete BS.

I lived in a trailer in WV and it was kept clean. No trash anywhere, and everything had it's place in the small area of land.

My wife's grandfather was literally poor minister most of his life, but between him and his wife, their very small homes and gardens we're always kept clean and tidy.

The reality is you don't have to have money to have pride in where you live. You just need to care.

Lacking sophisticated security systems? Dogs and guns have worked just fine for me

Your BS is my truth.
Opinions are like A-holes
Etc.
You are young & able bodied.
Tell an old lady or old man living with a walker living in a tin shack with arthritis on SSI they need to work on their property. They have no money, they’re too weak & sickly, they’re scared and the private property sign is a security blanket for them.
Guns? They probably are too weak to even shoot one.

The real reality is there are millions of people stuck on their homesteads too old to walk to their mailbox, or too poor to afford landscaping or property maintenance.

 

[MossRoad]

Sorry, that's complete BS.

I lived in a trailer in WV and it was kept clean. No trash anywhere, and everything had it's place in the small area of land.

My wife's grandfather was literally poor minister most of his life, but between him and his wife, their very small homes and gardens we're always kept clean and tidy.

The reality is you don't have to have money to have pride in where you live. You just need to care.

Lacking sophisticated security systems? Dogs and guns have worked just fine for me

Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins, dontcha know?

 

[Sigarms]

Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins, dontcha know?

So is Sloth / Dejection

Like anything in life, anything to the extreme is probably not healthy for you.

I don't stripe my lawn, nor do I weedwhack every week like I should and my company truck and home office desk can look like a pig sty after a period of time because I'm the only one who uses them That said, if I need to drive a larger company truck, I always clean it out when I'm done because someone else will be using it.

 

[ddbackhoe]

Are you saying that having 3 rust bucket cars sitting out on the front lawn with overgrown weeds along with a 20' TV antenna off the side of the house isn't attractive?
You don't want someone building something around you, have enough land to make it happen.

You are adding to what I wrote. I didnt say I give a crap one way or the other.
I do own enough land to be insulated and have still had issues because others saw something they didnt like and called it in. Ive had job sites placed on hold while things are smoothed out over someone filing a complaint.
A friend was sand blasting and painting farm equipment as a side gig. Someone complained and he had to shut down pending review, that was 7 months ago. Another friend got a brand new neighbor in a fancy house, they complained to the county about his existing sawmill. He had to move the mill so he put in a pig pen. Neighbor is still complaining about that.

Im glad youre little world hasnt been affected. Mine and others certainly has been by neighbors, passersby and others.

 

[Sigarms]

Your BS is my truth.
Opinions are like A-holes
Etc.

Tell an old lady or old man living with a walker living in a tin shack with arthritis on SSI they need to work on their property. They have no money, they’re too weak & sickly, they’re scared and the private property sign is a security blanket for them.
Guns? They probably are too weak to even shoot one.

I don't disagree with what you said, but I do believe your example is the minority, not the majority, and it can include a lot of people in city and towns as well, not just those living out in the country.

That said, I don't really care how people live on their own land because it's THEIR property. That was point per this entire thread if you missed it.

So if you have a buttload of land and decide you want to use it to rent out to a solar company, the general rule in life is buyer beware. That however should not stop you from renting out your land if you wish.

 

[ddbackhoe]

I get that people can afford only so much. There is a difference though when they have junk and trash everywhere.

Unfortunately, depending on where you live, getting rid of stuff can be a budget stretcher too. Our landfill charges $2.25 per trash bag, trash p/u service is at least 40/month and doesnt take bulk items.
Bulk trash is $91/ton, $15 a p/u load if you have a trailer hitch, ladder rack or flatbed you automatically qualify as commercial and cant pay the p/u load rate. mattress is $10 per piece.

 

[Hay Dude]

You are adding to what I wrote. I didnt say I give a crap one way or the other.
I do own enough land to be insulated and have still had issues because others saw something they didnt like and called it in. Ive had job sites placed on hold while things are smoothed out over someone filing a complaint.
A friend was sand blasting and painting farm equipment as a side gig. Someone complained and he had to shut down pending review, that was 7 months ago. Another friend got a brand new neighbor in a fancy house, they complained to the county about his existing sawmill. He had to move the mill so he put in a pig pen. Neighbor is still complaining about that.

Im glad youre little world hasnt been affected. Mine and others certainly has been by neighbors, passersby and others.

I can’t imagine what having those Chinese made mirrors would be like reflecting on your house, destroying your views, over heating the area in the hot summer and diminishing real estate values. Then they have to replace them all over again in 10-15 years?

I’ll take one nuke plant or natural gas plant over 10,000+ acres of solar panels blackening our landscapes for miles any day.
And you create energy 24/7/365, rather than 1/3rd of the time & have so many more American jobs and national security.

Just think if China embeds proprietary equipment in those batteries and controller units since it’s all made in China then they invade Taiwan and start World War III?
Whoopsie Daisies!

 

[Sigarms]

You are adding to what I wrote. I didnt say I give a crap one way or the other.
I do own enough land to be insulated and have still had issues because others saw something they didnt like and called it in. Ive had job sites placed on hold while things are smoothed out over someone filing a complaint.
A friend was sand blasting and painting farm equipment as a side gig. Someone complained and he had to shut down pending review, that was 7 months ago. Another friend got a brand new neighbor in a fancy house, they complained to the county about his existing sawmill. He had to move the mill so he put in a pig pen. Neighbor is still complaining about that.

Im glad youre little world hasnt been affected. Mine and others certainly has been by neighbors, passersby and others.

I'm guessing you live in Eastern Maryland and not western Maryland?

I can only guess most people live in the area I do because they want the same thing as we did. Not to be around people. We've been here 19 years and we're still the "new family" that moved onto the road.

I had a tree fall onto a neighbors rental property, he texted me about it and it was taken care of about a week later on my end. That's about the extent that anyone has "called me in on anything". Every once in a while us neighbors will text or call each other to see who the heck is shooting tannerite late at night, but "regular" gunfire at night is kind of a way of life.

Now, when you're operating a business and generating an income from your property, for better or worse, zoning can come into play and I can understand why.

 

[Sigarms]

Unfortunately, depending on where you live, getting rid of stuff can be a budget stretcher too. Our landfill charges $2.25 per trash bag, trash p/u service is at least 40/month and doesnt take bulk items.
Bulk trash is $91/ton, $15 a p/u load if you have a trailer hitch, ladder rack or flatbed you automatically qualify as commercial and cant pay the p/u load rate. mattress is $10 per piece.

To think I can remember when everyone in my county was up in arms and livid that the county had decided to just have an annual tax of $45 for use of the county's waste disposal sights (I believe it's up to $75 a year now).

When we first moved here, we we're paying like $30 a month for a private company to pick up our trash weekly. When I found out I could just drive 6 miles down the road to use a "recycling station" to haul my trash bags for the entire year, I couldn't figure out why people were complaining. When I fill up my 6x14 trailer with nothing but crap to haul it to he main landfill, it never runs more than $14 which is well worth it IMO.

At $2.25 a trash bag, that would run me the same amount as having a private hauler take it (that said, pricing could have went up as I haven't used that service since the county went to a flat tax on the landfill use).

 

[Hay Dude]

Unfortunately, depending on where you live, getting rid of stuff can be a budget stretcher too. Our landfill charges $2.25 per trash bag, trash p/u service is at least 40/month and doesnt take bulk items.
Bulk trash is $91/ton, $15 a p/u load if you have a trailer hitch, ladder rack or flatbed you automatically qualify as commercial and cant pay the p/u load rate. mattress is $10 per piece.

That’s true!

I remember back in the 80’s losing a wheel & tire (no spare) out in the middle of nowhere in PA and hoofing it to the nearest house (no cellphones back then). Walked up on a small ranch house with chickens and junk like the homes being trashed in this thread. The man living there looked to be in his final months of life, unable to get out of his chair. We knocked on the door and he welcomed me in to use the phone. We sat with him a while until help arrived. He was a farmer and a veteran. He had lots of pride for what he did, just no money.

Stayed with me forever. Woke me up to the millions of poor people living lives of suffering, pain and financial hardship all over this country. I believe they were also referred to as “bitter clingers” a decade or so ago.

 

[ddbackhoe]

OR, we could demolish unused buildings/facilities and repurpose them. The coal plants that have recently been shuttered come to mind. BUT, wait, most of those places have development value so we can’t use those.

One of the sites I was referring to, 355 acres

 

[ddbackhoe]

Stayed with me forever. Woke me up to the millions of poor people living lives of suffering, pain and financial hardship all over this country. I believe they were also referred to as “bitter clingers” a decade or so ago.

Yet we have billions to give away to other countries

 

[Hay Dude]

Yet we have billions to give away to other countries

No, hundreds of billions!