I love electric vehicles. But increasingly I feel duped

[tacticalturnip]

This is exactly what I was meaning by progress. Could you imagine applying for that job?
Job requirements: 18th century seafaring, parrot, peg leg. Those predisposed to scurvy or rickets will not be considered.

My God, it's real...

Now they're just ****ing with us.

 

[Torvy]

I suppose they could save energy by banning all electric devices and make all 'power' devices wind or water driven. 18th century may be a bit too new. Some steam experiments go back as far as the 1st (at least according to wiki, which is always right).

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

So strange to me EV owners talk about how much money they're saving (mpgeqv or whatever it's called) while never talking about the fact that it's $10,000+++ higher cost than an inexpensive ice car.
If I can but a new 10yr/100K warranty car for $20K, it gets me to the store & back...or a vacation and every 350 miles I put $30 gas in it I'm happy.
"Yes, but I can have solar panels installed". What does THAT cost?
That's the equivalent of my $20 coffee pot makes me a cup of coffee every morning and costs $30/year to operate. "Yes but my $300 coffee pot has a digital display, timer and alerts me when ready and only costs $10/year to operate so I'm saving money".
To each his-her-their own (???!).

 

[JasperFrank]

A few years or so ago, wife and i were looking for a new car for her. The 1999 Honda Civic was 270,000 miles and started to nickle/dime and burn oil. Then was totaled, while parked, by some idiot dumpster driver/operator. I had not been in a show room for 20 years. And I was shocked at how stupid modern cars had become. We ended up with a new Hyundai Accent for 14k. It had the least added BS. But I hate the car. It has very little rear view. We took the rear head sets out just to see anything. The high way steering on it is way too tricky at 75 mph and the front windscreen is so low my wife often has to duck to see if a traffic light has changed. And for some reason you can't fit, what I would think are normal things to get in a hatch back. Anything important we use the '93 Festiva. And this isn't a quality car, but at least it is a well designed, useful car. The two are separated by 24 years. 1/4 of a century of car development. They get the same mileage, have near the same acceleration, and braking distances.

 

[3930dave]

A few years or so ago, wife and i were looking for a new car for her. The 1999 Honda Civic was 270,000 miles and started to nickle/dime and burn oil. Then was totaled, while parked, by some idiot dumpster driver/operator. I had not been in a show room for 20 years. And I was shocked at how stupid modern cars had become. We ended up with a new Hyundai Accent for 14k. It had the least added BS. But I hate the car. It has very little rear view. We took the rear head sets out just to see anything. The high way steering on it is way too tricky at 75 mph and the front windscreen is so low my wife often has to duck to see if a traffic light has changed. And for some reason you can't fit, what I would think are normal things to get in a hatch back. Anything important we use the '93 Festiva. And this isn't a quality car, but at least it is a well designed, useful car. The two are separated by 24 years. 1/4 of a century of car development. They get the same mileage, have near the same acceleration, and braking distances.

About 5 years ago, I dropped by to see my buddy, working late @ his 8 bay shop that he owned. He had me pull a car out of the shop, that he just finished certifying.

Believe it or not (up here), it was a K Car, station wagon. An old tyme Chrysler guy had kept it, just went for groceries with it, then drove it to Florida and stayed every Winter, where it just hauled groceries..... that is how it survived Salt Land here.

Your post reminded me of the conversation my buddy and I had that night, about the greenhouse on that olde K. Fantastic sight lines everywhere.

Many modern vehicles have terrible sight-lines; I really do hate them. At the time of that ^ conversation, a lady concerned about her son playing in the street they lived on managed to back over (and kill) her son while moving their modern SUV out of their driveway, so he could play in it. That fatality happened next-town over from me.

Yeah, progress......

Rgds, D.

 

[Deleted member 371759]

About 5 years ago, I dropped by to see my buddy, working late @ his 8 bay shop that he owned. He had me pull a car out of the shop, that he just finished certifying.

Believe it or not (up here), it was a K Car, station wagon. An old tyme Chrysler guy had kept it, just went for groceries with it, then drove it to Florida and stayed every Winter, where it just hauled groceries..... that is how it survived Salt Land here.

Your post reminded me of the conversation my buddy and I had that night, about the greenhouse on that olde K. Fantastic sight lines everywhere.

Many modern vehicles have terrible sight-lines; I really do hate them. At the time of that ^ conversation, a lady concerned about her son playing in the street they lived on managed to back over (and kill) her son while moving their modern SUV out of their driveway, so he could play in it. That fatality happened next-town over from me.

Yeah, progress......

Rgds, D.

I have two trucks that I drive. One is 20 years old the other is 27 years old. I have repaired both and turned them into reliable drivers that I would not hesitate to drive anywhere. My wife smashed her truck and being the non controlling loving husband I am she did her own shopping for a new vehicle. She came home with a freaking Volkswagen Jetta. Low profile tires that get stuck in 1/4 inch of snow, special tools needed to do anything. Now I'm in the market for a older truck for her, something like a 4x4 I6 is what I'm thinking. That project will have to wait for the Jetta to be paid off though.

 

[NoTrespassing]

About 5 years ago, I dropped by to see my buddy, working late @ his 8 bay shop that he owned. He had me pull a car out of the shop, that he just finished certifying.

Believe it or not (up here), it was a K Car, station wagon. An old tyme Chrysler guy had kept it, just went for groceries with it, then drove it to Florida and stayed every Winter, where it just hauled groceries..... that is how it survived Salt Land here.

Your post reminded me of the conversation my buddy and I had that night, about the greenhouse on that olde K. Fantastic sight lines everywhere.

Many modern vehicles have terrible sight-lines; I really do hate them. At the time of that ^ conversation, a lady concerned about her son playing in the street they lived on managed to back over (and kill) her son while moving their modern SUV out of their driveway, so he could play in it. That fatality happened next-town over from me.

Yeah, progress......

Rgds, D.

Aren't the terrible sight lines because of more stringent rollover regulations? Fix one problem and create 2 more.

 

[Fuddyduddy1952]

I have two trucks that I drive. One is 20 years old the other is 27 years old. I have repaired both and turned them into reliable drivers that I would not hesitate to drive anywhere. My wife smashed her truck and being the non controlling loving husband I am she did her own shopping for a new vehicle. She came home with a freaking Volkswagen Jetta. Low profile tires that get stuck in 1/4 inch of snow, special tools needed to do anything. Now I'm in the market for a older truck for her, something like a 4x4 I6 is what I'm thinking. That project will have to wait for the Jetta to be paid off though.

I have an F150 4x4 '93 farm truck that's been fantastic. 300 six, 4 speed.

 

[bnold]

I'm glad your battery car is working for you. There are plenty of people that they do work great for. For others they are useless.

Both work well for me.
No desire for either to be outlawed.
Just correcting misinformation.

 

[bnold]

So strange to me EV owners talk about how much money they're saving (mpgeqv or whatever it's called) while never talking about the fact that it's $10,000+++ higher cost than an inexpensive ice car.
If I can but a new 10yr/100K warranty car for $20K, it gets me to the store & back...or a vacation and every 350 miles I put $30 gas in it I'm happy.
"Yes, but I can have solar panels installed". What does THAT cost?

Initial premise is flawed.
There is no $20k car that I’d own and drive.

For folks that are comparing their cost to a $20k ice car that they would be happy with, I’d highly encourage them to go that route.

I’d expect low cost BEV imports to become a real player within 10yrs, but that isn’t here yet. Something small, incredibly efficient, ice like performance and half the battery size with 150miles of usable range would satisfy the majority of city dwellers usage.

Solar ~5-6yr ROI here @$2/W installed.

So far, not forced to buy one… hope that doesn’t change. For many, they work quite well.