Good set of tools for the boy?

   / Good set of tools for the boy? #91  
I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to tools, but I'd guess the manufacturing process with the same material back then used today would be to expensive to sell in the marketplace.

I do know what I'm talking about to some extent when it comes to HVAC, and if I could buy a brand new Singer 6 SEER unit that was made in the 1970's at the same price point as a 14.3 SEER2 2023 brand new heat pump, I'd do so in a heartbeat.

I no nothing about the tool manufacturing process, but todays manufacturing process per Government regulations for HVAC equipment almost makes it impossible for a new HVAC unit to last 15 years without some major maintenance when the older units could run 20 years without a hiccup. The money you save for energy efficient HVAC equipment is more than doubled per the maintenance fees because you have to have so many parts that can go bad, added the PSC blower motor is going to become a dinosaur because it's not energy efficient.

There has to be some correlation in the manufacturing process over time per regulations vs "quality".

We are becoming a disposable society to some extent where it's not worth fixing anything per price point.
So, I should hang in to my 1976 central AC? 👍👍 5kW to run it. I can practically feel the kilowatts being torched.

It just runs and runs.😀🤞

On a side note I really have come to appreciate the aluminum handle Rigid pipe wrench I keep with tools in my truck...

Assorted tools for field work get heavy to lug around... so lighter weight and multifunction get a big plus for me...
As a kid we had old galvanized pipe on the farm and using two four foot steel pipe wrenches was pretty common, sometimes with 8' cheater pipes on the handles. Never broke one. When I moved on to this ranch, I bought aluminum 4' pipe wrenches and broke one in the first week. I wasn't impressed, though I am sure it is more a reflection on how corroded the pipes were/are. I bought a second three foot steel pipe wrench, and it takes a lickin', and keeps on tickin', but geez, it is heavy to haul around.

Another vote for the Tekton tools. I think your son is a lucky man.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #92  
I still have and use the 1/4", 1/2", 3/4" Craftsman socket set I bought back in the 70s as a teenager. Screwdriver set, wrenches, too. For average person doing average work, they work fine. I've only broken a couple sockets and one ratchet in all that time, at that was due to abuse. They were replaced free of charge.

About 10 years ago, I had to provide my own tools for my job when I switched over to maintenance.

So, I went and bought more Craftsman socket, wrenches and screwdrivers.

But for other things, like pliers and such, I cheaped out and bought Harbor Freight. I regret that. They are not nearly as strong, and, for example, on the slip joint pliers, I could squeeze them on a bolt and the joint would pop and they'd break. Just not good quality stuff.

I bought a rolling tool box of medium quality from Menards and some layers foam and shadowed it out for organization.

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That made life easier when moving from job to job in the plant.

However, the OP is asking about portable tool sets.

I'm pretty sure this is the set I started with 10 years ago. The case is nice and sturdy and portable. I just didn't need the case for work.


Then I added some ratcheting wrenches and screwdrivers and such.

But as I mentioned, don't cheap out on the pliers, diagonal cutter, etc.
I was surprised that your link went to Sears. I thought they no longer exist?
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #93  
Never used a cheater with aluminum frame pipe wrench… for the bigger stuff I use a very old Pexto 3’ pipe wrench mom bought a farm sale for $10… dad just shook his head but when I started property maintenance I remembered we had it and sometimes used with a cheater.

Learned early on the value of heat and a few strategic raps with a hammer to loosen things…
 
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   / Good set of tools for the boy?
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#94  
So, I should hang in to my 1976 central AC? 👍👍 5kW to run it. I can practically feel the kilowatts being torched.

It just runs and runs.😀🤞
Sincere curious question...

What square footage does it cover and what does your average summertime electric bill run you and what are you paying per KW?

I've learned in my thread on our family vacation to Northern California next month (first time to that area) that the SF area really has some funky weather in the summer time and if I wear shorts I could freeze my butt off, which I found surprising.

In NC, heat pumps are a sizable portion of the market for good reason.
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #95  
Sincere curious question...

What square footage does it cover and what does your average summertime electric bill run you and what are you paying per KW?

I've learned in my thread on our family vacation to Northern California next month (first time to that area) that the SF area really has some funky weather in the summer time and if I wear shorts I could freeze my butt off, which I found surprising.

In NC, heat pumps are a sizable portion of the market for good reason.
Upon rereading my post above, I think I should clarify that what meant was that I can't believe a 1976 AC is still alive and kicking. I am amazed that it is still in running condition. That is probably because we almost never use it.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a heat pump, though I worry about the heating capacity, as our 100,000BTU propane furnace can run for four hours straight first thing on cold winter (34F) mornings. That's a lot of heat from a heat pump. I have worked out our winter thermal losses, and I think that we need at least a 60kBTU heat pump, and probably more like an 80kBTU unit. We have no interest in splits both from an air filtration perspective and from a home layout that would require lots of heads. In general, the trend in Northern California is toward heat pumps since the climate is, in general, quite mild.

However, yes, we live in one of those funky microclimates. The old rancher who sold the land to the couple who built the house, insisted that they move the house site to where it is. I mentally thank him many, many times a year. The house is tucked into a hillside ravine with mature California Bay trees above us, and above them the top of the 2800' ridge to the west. The result is that the house is sheltered from almost all storms, and during the summertime there is almost always a downhill breeze that is significantly cooler (10-15F) than the top of the hill. The hilltop itself is usually ten degrees cooler than the city down the hill, so we get snow a handful of times a year despite being "in" the Bay Area. The couple's son bought a property across the street and put his home on top of a little knoll, where it gets baked in the summertime, and freezes in the winter. Their heating and power bill is about five times ours, despite pretty similar home construction. Unlike North Carolina, we have very dry air out here. So dry that I accidentally shocked the dog last night petting her.

We rarely run the AC, as in sometimes not for two or three years, unlike all of our neighbors. When we do, it tends to be for a week or two. Mainly either during wildfire smoke occurrences, or during heatwaves in August / September when we get hot winds out of the Central Valley with terrible air quality.

The house is a 1970s vintage 2,200sq. ft. building with an R-10 roof over two thirds of it (we couldn't add more when we redid the roof without enormous expense and permitting hassles), R-60 over the rest, R-15 in the walls, lots of windows with less than perfect seals that leak air. I would love to redo the window seals, but apparently nobody out here does it, and it isn't clear to me that I can do any better than just replacing the brush strips with new brush strips, and I think that won't do much for the air leaks. The replacement windows that we have been offered are less fire resistant, barring radiant films, so new windows aren't an obvious solution either, though I would love to find some.

So, with that preamble, peak power is $0.65/kWh, off peak $0.26/kWh. We installed 6kW of solar seven years ago, and it is fully amortized by our power savings. So, our "bills" are actually payments from the utility. To answer the underlying question, we use around 20kWh/day, or 600kWh/mo, which includes charging a plug in hybrid. We are net power exporters from March through October, and net exporters for the whole year. Two years ago, we added batteries for backup during outages, but they also enable us to store our off-peak solar power and run the house entirely off of our stored energy during peak times. We almost never buy peak power, even in the wintertime. All CFL/LED lighting, and not much in the way of electrical/electronic toys, or power draws. Base household load is ~0.2kW.

We are very fortunate, and grateful for that.

All the best,

Peter
 
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   / Good set of tools for the boy? #96  
I just bought another 15/16's wrench. I need two of them to replace the bolts on my batwing gearbox. I tried a socket, but it keeps falling off. I can wedge the wrench in between the stump jumper with a pieces of wood so it stays on the bolt.

What's odd to me is that I never, ever, used a 15/16's wrench before I bought my farm and started having tractors. Now it seems like it's used all the time.
I understand about attachments needing their own tools. I have a couple of wrenches that live in the chipper's manual tube because there is one bolt that has to be removed to clear blockages, and it got to be a hassle to get the wrenches out of the shop when needed and put them back. Generally, my tools, such as they are, live in the shop.

When we bought a tractor, I definitely had to upsize my wrench and tool collection to larger sizes, and fill in some of the "in-betweens". The tractor has some definite skin knuckle nut/bolt locations, at least for me. I often find myself wondering how a real mechanic would do it.

All the best,

Peter
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #97  
The traditional problem with heat pumps was that the supply air temp was lower than body temp of 98F so the supply air would always feel cool even though it was actually heating the space.

Not sure how it's doing it, but I installed a mini split inverter as an experiment and the air temp feels warm during the winter. Nonetheless, we still rely on a NG furnace as our primary heating system.

I liked the mini split so well that we installed a second one. They are quiet and more efficient than the heat pump we installed 20 years ago. I doubt the mini splits will last as long, however. The only thing I don't like is dirt builds up on the squirrel cage fan on the inside unit and cleaning is a pain.
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #98  
Sincere curious question...

What square footage does it cover and what does your average summertime electric bill run you and what are you paying per KW?

I've learned in my thread on our family vacation to Northern California next month (first time to that area) that the SF area really has some funky weather in the summer time and if I wear shorts I could freeze my butt off, which I found surprising.

In NC, heat pumps are a sizable portion of the market for good reason.
SF Bay Area often gets hot weather late in season… not long after school starts in the fall.

Growing up it was called Indian Summer.

Typical summer pattern can have very hot inland temps for the entire Central Valley… hot air rises and pulls in colder often foggy air along the coast maybe as far as the East Bay Hills…

SF is surrounded by salt water on three sides.

I have gone an entire year or longer without turning on the 1993 Carrier Central A/C

Home is well insulated with clay tile roof and triple pane windows…

Any downside not running A/C for months or years at a time?

I’m a net solar exporter… receive a check each year from my 2008 panels in a 6kW system.

With changes on what producers are paid per kW I’m wondering if I could add an electric heating element to my gas hot water heater set slight high than the gas temp setting so gas would in effect be backup to electric.

Gas has become costly too!
 
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   / Good set of tools for the boy?
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The traditional problem with heat pumps was that the supply air temp was lower than body temp of 98F so the supply air would always feel cool even though it was actually heating the space.

Not sure how it's doing it, but I installed a mini split inverter as an experiment and the air temp feels warm during the winter. Nonetheless, we still rely on a NG furnace as our primary heating system.

I liked the mini split so well that we installed a second one. They are quiet and more efficient than the heat pump we installed 20 years ago. I doubt the mini splits will last as long, however. The only thing I don't like is dirt builds up on the squirrel cage fan on the inside unit and cleaning is a pain.
Generally, even down to 30F OAT, a standard R410A heat pump will still give you over 100F air at the register.

Although the image below is from a mini split, depending on the model, they can give you the heat you need.

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When it come to mini splits, you aren't paying for the total cooling capacity, but total heating capacity, thus you have various pricing out there. A cheap 18K mini split might only give you 11K of heat at 23F OAT. The above is from a 15K floor mount which will give you 17k BTU/h of heat down to 5F outside air temp.
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #100  
@Sigarms, thanks for the details. An OAT of 30F is as cold as we are likely to see. Maybe 25F once every fifty years.

I had been concerned about freezing my cold sensitive spouse...

All the best,

Peter
 

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