Good set of tools for the boy?

   / Good set of tools for the boy? #81  
Another thing, I didn't really see mentioned, that I never knew I needed, a cheap pair, all metal, digital calipers. Got them for reloading, but find I use them all the time. Instead of guessing is that 1-3/4" hose or 40mm; calipers; fuel line, 3/8 vs 10mm, ect.
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #82  
Apologizing to yourself ......

My neighbor does hvac. His wife said he was supposed to go to a meeting back in December 2022 where he'd learn if he could even use the same refrigerant gauges between the various refrigerants they are about to mandate. Sounds like a first class trainwreck coming.
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #83  
Had the same question regarding tools for HVAC

Gauges, Vacuum Pumps, etc.

At one time in my late teens I wanted to learn refrigeration but little did I know the changes coming.

99 cents for a can of refrigerant back in the day.
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy?
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#84  
Apologizing to yourself ......

My neighbor does hvac. His wife said he was supposed to go to a meeting back in December 2022 where he'd learn if he could even use the same refrigerant gauges between the various refrigerants they are about to mandate. Sounds like a first class trainwreck coming.
Everyone knew in early in 2022 the the new refrigerants weren't going to hit the market until 2025. It's a bigger fiasco for the manufacturers, who I feel sorry for.

That said, R410A and R454B (at least) run about the same pressures with R454B being slightly lower. You can use the same gauges, but if digital, you'll want to recalibrate it for the new refrigerant. Back when R410A came out, pressures were substantially higher than R22, and I remember all the guys being afraid that the new R410A refrigerant would blow up in their van.

The bigger train-wreck coming is the federal tax credit and state rebate money when they finally figure out what they're going to do, and it's coming. ANY HVAC professional will tell you that they are not a tax accountant, they can make any promises on what the tax credit is nor can they make any promises on state rebates, and that is between you and your tax preparer. Thing is, some guys are already using it like "snake oil" IMO trying to get sales on higher SEER equipment.

I know I was apologizing to myself ;) Point being any thread after 5 or 6 pages can get sidetracked. Part of any forum life...
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy? #86  
You could buy the boy his own digital torque wrench, two stage vac pump, micron gauge and hoses.

Are the 410a systems going to last long enough to sell all that refrigerant? I ask because I got the impression from an earlier thread that the r410a systems were problematic and had to be replaced under warranty. So are they even fixable or will people just junk them and replace them once the warranties expire and they start failing?
 
   / Good set of tools for the boy?
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You could buy the boy his own digital torque wrench, two stage vac pump, micron gauge and hoses.

Are the 410a systems going to last long enough to sell all that refrigerant? I ask because I got the impression from an earlier thread that the r410a systems were problematic and had to be replaced under warranty. So are they even fixable or will people just junk them and replace them once the warranties expire and they start failing?
If things didn't work out for the boy for the military, I already told him he could have an apprentice job with someof the pretty smartest commercial HVAC guys I know and he'd be making more than what he's making now (put a couple of years doing grunt work learning the trade IMO is better than some of the local colleges we have here that do trades). I'd have no qualms with hiring myself due to his work ethic he has shown me since he started working at age 15.

I think my dad an I rubbed off on him where he would like to kind of explore the world.

The only reason why R410A equipment is going away is due to the Montreal Protocol. I'll be replacing my attic system in 2025 (R22 equipment installed almost 20 years ago, a REAL PITA job). I only went with R22 in the attic because I didn't trust the R410A system, as it was new and just coming out (I had my choice between the two). When I replace that old R22 equipment, it will be with a R410A system, just because me being me, I won't trust a "new" R454B system, but I know that fear is probably unfounded. That said, just like the old R22 system (having a can of R22 laying around), I'll make certain I have a jug of R410A in the basement LOL That however is a benefit of my job that I take advantage of. Put in a R410A system in 2025, and around in 2035, you may have sticker shock. That said, if the pressures run slightly lower with R454B, it may offer opportunities down the road for refrigerant that R410A didn't offer with R22. I don't know what I'm talking about with that statement, just thinking out loud.

The biggest reason for overall HVAC system longevity dwindling IMO is the equipment is being over engineered due to government regulations. You don't have to be very smart to understand the more parts (particularly electronic) you have, the greater the odds that you will have a part go bad over time.

Old HVAC systems were bomb proof IMO because they were simple with minimal parts. Thing is, they don't hit the efficiency ratings the government wants.

Just do yourself a favor, NEVER go with a proprietary communicating thermostat only supplied by the manufacturer of the HVAC equipment being installed. Sooner or later, you run a greater risk of kicking yourself when you get the bill if it ever needs to be replaced and it's out of warranty.
 
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   / Good set of tools for the boy? #88  
Saw an article last week in the business press about Craftsman's attempt at a highly mechanized factory (in Texas, maybe) to make wrenches in the US. They built it but couldn't make it work.

One point in the article was about something I'd noticed for years: they now make their open ended wrenches so wide around the opening that they don't fit into tight spaces. Those wrenches are known informally within the industry as "lobster claw wrenches"...

possibly paywalled:

See post 33. ;)
 
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   / Good set of tools for the boy? #90  
I'd try to get him wrenches and sockets with all of the sizes from smallest, to largest, no skips.
My apologizes to anyone who has said this before.
 

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