Deadly cargo ship fire still burning on vessel carrying 500 electric vehicles in North Sea

[lilranch2001]

Everyone thinks that solar and wind power is the answer, how little they know how bad those items are for the environment, but you cannot tell them…. The left has them convinced

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Briggs and Stratton local plant shut down a few years. For personal use the 80 volt Kobalt self propelled walk behind kicked the B&S to scrap metal pile.

Many vehicle OEMs have stated their ICE end of production dates. I expect 2050 will catch 90% of the end of ICE factories. Reports indicate they are not able to get down their production cost to be competitive in the long run.

 

[deezler]

Many vehicle OEMs have stated their ICE end of production dates. I expect 2050 will catch 90% of the end of ICE factories. Reports indicate they are not able to get down their production cost to be competitive in the long run.

Yes, BUT, these plans and actions from the OEMs are stemming from state and federal EV transition mandates that are based upon aspirations of politicians - not actual science or study of what is feasible.

In order for there to be 17 million EVs made and sold each year (USA vehicle consumption) let alone 100+ million for the entire planet, global lithium mining and refining capacity needs to scale up by 40x. FOURTY TIMES more lithium mining. Why anyone thinks that will actually happen, boggles my mind. China currently controls over 2/3 of the lithium refining market, as well.

I fully expect a roll back of many ICE-bans and EV sales mandates once reality sets in that A) the resources do not exist for the full scale transition, B) thus prices will not fall as far as politicians and manufacturers expect, and C) consumer demand will still lean towards the less fire prone vehicles that can be refueled to 400 miles in just 5 minutes at a gas station.

 

[lilranch2001]

Yes, BUT, these plans and actions from the OEMs are stemming from state and federal EV transition mandates that are based upon aspirations of politicians - not actual science or study of what is feasible.

In order for there to be 17 million EVs made and sold each year (USA vehicle consumption) let alone 100+ million for the entire planet, global lithium mining and refining capacity needs to scale up by 40x. FOURTY TIMES more lithium mining. Why anyone thinks that will actually happen, boggles my mind. China currently controls over 2/3 of the lithium refining market, as well.

I fully expect a roll back of many ICE-bans and EV sales mandates once reality sets in that A) the resources do not exist for the full scale transition, B) thus prices will not fall as far as politicians and manufacturers expect, and C) consumer demand will still lean towards the less fire prone vehicles that can be refueled to 400 miles in just 5 minutes at a gas station.

Unfortunately, there are some green advocates even on TBN……

They are going to believe what they believe, and there is no countering that!

Reality is not in their wheelhouse

 

[5030]

Unfortunately, there are some green advocates even on TBN……

They are going to believe what they believe, and there is no countering that!

Reality is not in their wheelhouse

Only 'green' thing that I have is a booger in my nose and I can deposit that in a Kleenex.

 

[Paystar]

I went to my local trading post to get gas and the young girl that was attending the gas pump was actually one of the smartest teens I have talked to. And I'm equally as proud of our local school that is apparently not pushing the brainwashing agenda.

We were making small talk about the price of fuel and electric vehicles and she said "we did a study project in school and it proves that electric vehicles are NOT saving the environment, nor will they ever show return on investment."

 

[Paystar]

Everyone thinks that solar and wind power is the answer, how little they know how bad those items are for the environment, but you cannot tell them…. The left has them convinced

They are the answer if you own a crane company.....they have a full time job around here at our couple year old wind farm that already has them failing and falling from the sky on a weekly basis, LOL