Hughman
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Nancy tought me to "just say no" to all bond measures.
Question for those who live in California
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Maybe to participate in the food industry?
The top 10 agriculture-producing States in terms of cash receipts in calendar year 2022 are (in descending order): California, Iowa, Nebraska, Texas, Illinois, Minnesota, Kansas, Indiana, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.Dec 13, 2023
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Sigarms
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The reality is given some of schools age, money has to be raised some how to make fixes. Locally, the issue is estimated cost could be 30 million, the bond gets passed, but 3 years go by and instead of 30 million, due to costs and inflation, it's now 50 million.
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If you read my thread about things do in California, we were absolutely blown away by the great local farmed produce out there. Honestly, fruits and vegtables never tasted so good. My wife can be picky when it comes to shopping for food, and she was amazed. Amazed as well with all the produce stands on route 1 going south of Half Moon By below San Francisco. Seems like produce can thrive off the west coast. Never really noticed produce like that driving to the shore in or around NC.
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Gosh how could I forget the California Lottery?
"The California State Lottery began in October 1985 after voters authorized it in Proposition 37, the California State Lottery Act of 1984....The earnings provide supplementary funding for public education.... The Lottery Act was intended to provide more money to schools without imposing extra taxes. "
I lived in CA when the lottery was marketed to its citizens. There was a strong marketing push with lofty claims to sell it to voters. TV advertisements ran showing children with no books, dilapidated classrooms, etc.
The reality is the CA lottery allows each school district a choice of how to spent the money.
A very close friend of mine is a senior administrator in one of the largest CA school districts in the State. That district decided then (and it continues today) that 100% of the lottery money would be paid to teachers and administrators. None to books and students.
The result was that all teachers and administrators got paid more and many moved up to nicer houses and cars. Then, starting a few years later, more bond measures were floated to "give Johnny books to read and not in a leaky classroom."
"The California State Lottery began in October 1985 after voters authorized it in Proposition 37, the California State Lottery Act of 1984....The earnings provide supplementary funding for public education.... The Lottery Act was intended to provide more money to schools without imposing extra taxes. "
I lived in CA when the lottery was marketed to its citizens. There was a strong marketing push with lofty claims to sell it to voters. TV advertisements ran showing children with no books, dilapidated classrooms, etc.
The reality is the CA lottery allows each school district a choice of how to spent the money.
A very close friend of mine is a senior administrator in one of the largest CA school districts in the State. That district decided then (and it continues today) that 100% of the lottery money would be paid to teachers and administrators. None to books and students.
The result was that all teachers and administrators got paid more and many moved up to nicer houses and cars. Then, starting a few years later, more bond measures were floated to "give Johnny books to read and not in a leaky classroom."
Oaktree
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You actually saw someone working at a Pa. construction site? I've seen miles of jersey barriers blocking lanes, but no sign that anything is being done.
This might not be an apples-to-apples comparison. Nevada is a much more arid state than Pa. so you don't get the freeze-thaw cycles busting up the pavement. Also, what's the soil composition in Nevada? That can make a huge difference. Lot less traffic on those dirt roads too.
jyoutz
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Freeze/thaw is hell on asphalt. But many parts of Nevada does have cold winters and snow.
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I just got some bad news. The last apple processing plant in the region, Manzana, will close after this year's harvest.
My orchard is 10% of the acreage served by the contractor who tills, prunes, harvests my orchard and some others. However my harvest is a greater percentage of his apple revenue, due to quality. This plant closing is a severe blow to him. He also operates vineyards, owned and several locations under contract. Apples have balanced his good/bad years of grape harvest. For example in 2017 when smoke from the worst fire in California history (Tubbs Fire - Wikipedia) made the entire crop of wine grapes unsalable.
The plant's economics are undisputable. 90% of Manzana's production now, is apples trucked in from other states with transport a quarter of the cost. The plant will move to Yakima Washington where most of those apples come from. Trucking local apples up to Yakima, 800 miles, isn't likely to be worth what it costs. It's the end of an era.
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My orchard is 10% of the acreage served by the contractor who tills, prunes, harvests my orchard and some others. However my harvest is a greater percentage of his apple revenue, due to quality. This plant closing is a severe blow to him. He also operates vineyards, owned and several locations under contract. Apples have balanced his good/bad years of grape harvest. For example in 2017 when smoke from the worst fire in California history (Tubbs Fire - Wikipedia) made the entire crop of wine grapes unsalable.
The plant's economics are undisputable. 90% of Manzana's production now, is apples trucked in from other states with transport a quarter of the cost. The plant will move to Yakima Washington where most of those apples come from. Trucking local apples up to Yakima, 800 miles, isn't likely to be worth what it costs. It's the end of an era.
Sonoma County's 101-year-old apple processing plant leaving town
Sonoma County's last and only apple processing plant in Sebastopol is leaving town.
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Maybe boutique processers will fill the gap?
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That would be great if it worked.
But we know of only a single very small craft cider processor in the region. He's not going to want the whole county's harvest. 70 tons is just my portion of that.
In the past some of our apple crop went to Martinelli's in Watsonville. (The fancy cider served to kids and non-drinkers at weddings, etc). But more recently Martinelli says they have plenty of apples from their local farmers so that's not an option.
