EV owners of today and tomorrow

[wawajake]

When you listen to those who tell you what you want to hear, you get the information you cite above.

Low mileage Tesla Model Y Long Range batteries go begging on eBay for $8,000. Look it up.

Or, you can believe $60,000 to replace a Hyundai EV battery (in Canada).

Lets see, the USA has the most reliable electric power grid in the world. But now we hear how terrible and awful it is and that is why EVs are bad! Our woefully pathetic "power grid" has a 50% generating capacity surplus at night. Dirt cheap electricity is sold to manufacturers who consume great amounts of electrical power to encourage them to do their thing at night. An EV can trivially charge at night (everything above a Fiat 500e has a charging scheduler), so the more EVs we have charging at night the more easy money for the utilities to build the infrastructure we are told they are lacking.

Of course the only reason electric power utilities have such terrible reliability and lack of power generation is that they are centrally managed socialist economies serving at the whim of "public service commissions" (czars) who starve the utility denying construction of new power plants, updating power lines, or even to cut the underbrush around existing power lines.

We haven't seen 3rd parties making replacement Tesla batteries yet because Tesla's batteries have proven to be so darn good, and there are plenty of good wrecked Teslas to donate their batteries. I know Prius and Chevy Volt have a pretty active 3rd party replacement battery market. A genuine 2007 Prius battery has fallen from $7,000 to under $2000.

Years ago there was big hay in the press about dealer giving an owner a nearly $30,000 quote for replacement battery in their Volt. What wasn't said was they quoted a battery they couldn't get. What wasn't said was that there were a half dozen 3rd parties with equal or better DIY replacement batteries for $5,000.

Another thing I suspect you do not understand is that nothing you know about automotive starter batteries, cellphone batteries, or laptop batteries apply to EV batteries. The EV battery is of much higher quality and cared and fed with much greater attention to lifespan. At 10 years my 2013 Tesla Model S battery retained 93% of it's original capacity. No doubt others didn't fare as well as I did, but then again there are lots of ICE out there getting new engines and transmissions at very young ages.

Be careful Bleeding Orange because Grumpy Cat has a habit, to exaggerate the numbers depending on how he wants to argue .( and he barely if ever uses Superchargers, and just charges at home because he has that luxury, but highway quick charge needs are harder on batteries but realistically to travel you need to use these more expensive on the road chargers . See the attached link for more realistic unbiased researched numbers, far above his $8000 quote for a used battery on EBay that still needs to be installed and what warranty if any ??? And on the topic of warranty, this link , and Tesla's website ( last year) , says they only replace on warranty if it drops below 70% capability. That's a bit scary when you consider that Tesla reccomends only using down to 20% and charge up to only 80% .....my napkin math, when you eventually only have a 75% worn down battery, after a few years, means you barely have 55% of the mileage range capability compared to what they promise when new. Just a bigger picture point of view. https://carbuzz.com/features/tesla-battery-replacement-cost/

 

[Grumpycat]

Grid reliability really depends on where you are in the country. California's grid is pretty unreliable. Pushing EV's for the environment, but then telling people not to charge their EV's during the day due to grid stress and tolling blackouts. That sucks of your sole transportation is an EV and you work nights

The Gas Station Fallacy again. The notion one must have Gas Stations for EVs to be "practical". And said gas stations primarily operate during daytime high electrical demand periods.

There are options to charge while at work whether during the day or the night.

1.2kW puts 5 miles in my Tesla each hour. If one charges during the day in a backwards state one pays premium TOU prices. 1.2kW is a common 120V 15A outlet such as your cellphone charger is plugged into.

So, just how many miles does one need to charge each day?

 

[Dftodd]

The Gas Station Fallacy again. The notion one must have Gas Stations for EVs to be "practical". And said gas stations primarily operate during daytime high electrical demand periods.

There are options to charge while at work whether during the day or the night.

1.2kW puts 5 miles in my Tesla each hour. If one charges during the day in a backwards state one pays premium TOU prices. 1.2kW is a common 120V 15A outlet such as your cellphone charger is plugged into.

So, just how many miles does one need to charge each day?

Then explain almighty Tesla owner why California told folks last summer to not charge their EV's because the grid couldn't handle it???

 

[Grumpycat]

Be careful Bleeding Orange because Grumpy Cat has a habit, to exaggerate the numbers depending on how he wants to argue .

Citation required.

( and he barely if ever uses Superchargers, and just charges at home because he has that luxury, but highway quick charge needs are harder on batteries but realistically to travel you need to use these more expensive on the road chargers .

I have 2 infusions per week the next 4 weeks, starting last week, 210 miles round trip. Interstate. No need to stop to charge, just to rest as I get tired.

See the attached link for more realistic unbiased researched numbers, far above his $8000 quote for a used battery on EBay

I'm seeing $6500 is the common asking price today.

that still needs to be installed and what warranty if any ???

Who gets warranty on used parts? But then again you are under the false presumption that battery replacement is common.

And on the topic of warranty, this link , and Tesla's website ( last year) , says they only replace on warranty if it drops below 70% capability.

How much poorer MPG or HP does one have to fall to to get an ICE manufacturer to replace? No matter how much oil it consumed Kia wouldn't replace a friend's lifetime-goodwill-warranted engine until he limped in with a head turning loud metallic knock.

That's a bit scary when you consider that Tesla reccomends only using down to 20% and charge up to only 80% .....my napkin math, when you eventually only have a 75% worn down battery, after a few years, means you barely have 55% of the mileage range capability compared to what they promise when new. Just a bigger picture point of view. https://carbuzz.com/features/tesla-battery-replacement-cost/

Look who is spinning numbers now.

How much does a new ICE or transmission cost?

 

[Grumpycat]

Then explain almighty Tesla owner why California told folks last summer to not charge their EV's because the grid couldn't handle it???

Citation required.

Once you find it note the times of day, and how they asked one refrain from any possible electrical consumption during those times.

But you won't bother.

 

[Dftodd]

Citation required.

Once you find it note the times of day, and how they asked one refrain from any possible electrical consumption during those times.

But you won't bother.

It was all over the bloody news and reported by about every news source.

You had to be blind and deaf not to see it, hear it, or read it.

Google it, you'll get all the proof you need.

 

[Grumpycat]

It was all over the bloody news and reported by about every news source.

You had to be blind and deaf not to see it, hear it, or read it.

Google it, you'll get all the proof you need.

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I saw it. That is why I asked you to go back and actually read it, not just the headlines. I have read it and have already told you what was said but you don't want to hear that you are wrong and lack the attention span to read whole articles.

The headlines say what you want to be told so there is no point going further. You have been vindicated! Google agrees! You are a bloody genius! You only have to read the headlines to know everything!

Once again there was a specific time listed not to charge EVs, heat one's swimming pool, bake cakes, shower (consume hot water), etc. But with your limited attention span and the publisher's desire to get clicks all you see is "quit charging EVs" as if it is an order to never charge an EV.

 

[fatjay]

I like my ocean. I wouldn't feel the same about other ev's, because they're boring.

 

[wawajake]

Citation required.


I have 2 infusions per week the next 4 weeks, starting last week, 210 miles round trip. Interstate. No need to stop to charge, just to rest as I get tired.


I'm seeing $6500 is the common asking price today.


Who gets warranty on used parts? But then again you are under the false presumption that battery replacement is common.


Look who is spinning numbers now.

How much does a new ICE or transmission cost

Wow......you want some pertinent examples of your exaggerating.....you used the example of the Canadian Tesla battery exchange falsely claiming $60,000 ......except that example that occurred in Canada was I believe $54,000 and that was CDN dollars so with exchange rate of .75 it actually was $40,500 US dollars , but you wanted to exaggerate and this time stated $60,000 . Without exchange clarification . You wanted to show how exaggerated my documented example was by you exaggerateing by $20,000 more. Another example is your ebay examples without labour to install and without explaining what potential risks of buying a used battery on ebay.....shall I go on ??? And then your post shows you don't use super chargers but assume everyone can do like you . And what does ICE transmission do with limits on range of a degraded battery ? .....again deflection not facts from you.

 

[Grumpycat]

Wow......you want some pertinent examples of your exaggerating.....you used the example of the Canadian Tesla battery exchange falsely claiming $60,000 ......except that example that occurred in Canada was I believe $54,000 and that was CDN dollars so with exchange rate of .75 it actually was $40,500 US dollars , but you wanted to exaggerate and this time stated $60,000 . Without exchange clarification . You wanted to show how exaggerated my documented example was by you exaggerateing by $20,000 more. Another example is your ebay examples without labour to install and without explaining what potential risks of buying a used battery on ebay.....shall I go on ??? And then your post shows you don't use super chargers but assume everyone can do like you . And what does ICE transmission do with limits on range of a degraded battery ? .....again deflection not facts from you.

Ha ha ha ha!

The published articles most certainly did declare the Hyundai battery was $60k, and only in fine print "Canadian". And in your taking things out of context I clearly referenced it as an extreme. As an example of the media exaggerating and in how you chose to take the media at face value when it suits you.

What kind of ignoramus doesn't understand used parts and cost of installation?

You forgot the nearly $30k US Chevy Volt battery.

Your exaggerations pretend that just because everyone can not charge at home then an EV works for nobody. In your willful blindness you can't seem to comprehend the message is that The Gas Station Model does not work. You've heard me say that like a scratched record yet you come back pretending somehow EV drivers must be "given infrastructure" to charge. You know I rarely use Superchargers and somehow take fault in that.

You pretend ICE transmissions never fail, never degrade, that ICE engines never fail and never degrade, but only EV batteries have that issue. And you pretend an EV battery degrades same as an ICE starter battery.