Should I just buy a new starter?

[bmaverick]

This one: Gear Reduction Starter for Yanmar Tractor YM2210, YM2210D, YM2500, YM2610 YM3000 | eBay
Eric

Oh, the eBay seller listed the SKU 57-2763 starter number.
A cross reference gave this,

AC DELCO 323-971
ACCUTEK/KNIGHT S8424
ACE TRI-STAR CM17099N
AIM 16657
AIM SN-00306R
AIM SN-00314R
AIM SN-0078R
ALLTECH 126-17099
AMPERE 31631
ANDRE NIERMANN 15730
ANDRE NIERMANN 15731
ARROWHEAD SND0377
BARSANCO 590-16710
BARSANCO 610-16657
BBB INDUSTRIES 17099
BBB INDUSTRIES N17099
BOSCH REMAN SR10027X
BOSCH REMAN SR5060X
BOSTON AUTO 3190-505
BOSTON AUTO 3190-505A
CARGO 110485
CARRIER TRANSICOLD 20-45-1312
COSMOS 90-17099
COSMOS 90-17099A
CUMMINS 3675205RX
DELCO REMY (ENG'R) 10465440
DENSO 128000-0710
DENSO 228000-0110
DENSO 228000-0111
DENSO 228000-3800
DENSO 228000-3801
DENSO 228000-3802
DENSO 5712800-071
DENSO 9712809-071
DENSO 9722809-380
DIXIE NEW 246-14116
DIXIE S-8788
DIXIE S-8807
DNS S16657
IAT S16657
JOHN DEERE CH19284
LESTER 17099
LUCAS REMAN S9988
LUCAS REMAN S9989
MET MET-S17099
MET MET-S5060
MINNPAR 57-2763
MPA 717375
MPA XTREME X717375
PIC 190-505
PIC 190-505A
RCP ST-16657
REAL 20432016
REMY 69020
ROAD FORCE RF19199242
ROMAINE ELECTRIC 41-17099
ROTEX 17099
SPIDER MARINE S17099
TECHNO CVC IND-2864930
THERMO KING 10-45-1718B
THERMO KING 45-1312
THERMO KING 45-1335
TSA 17099N
USA 17099
WESTLING 72-16657S
WHATCOM 42762
WHATCOM 42861
WILSON NEW 91-29-5202N
WOOD AUTO STR70017
WORLD WIDE 69020
YANMAR 119209-77010
YANMAR 119285-77010
YANMAR 121120-77011
YANMAR 419209-77010
YANMAR 419225-77010
YANMAR 419225-77011
ZORKOS 17099

The OSGR is a Denso design. Denso = Toyoda

 

[rScotty]

My YM2310 wouldn't turn over. The solenoid would pull in, I could hear it, but the starter motor wouldn't spin. Suspecting the contacts in the solenoid were bad, and the solenoid being the type that doesn't come apart, I bought a new solenoid. Problem solved. Now, less than a year later, I'm having the same problem. The solenoid pulls in but the starter won't spin. If I try turning the key several times the starter will eventually spin and the engine starts right up. The starter spins the engine plenty fast so I don't think it's the battery or and connections. So, instead of buying another solenoid at about 70 bucks, should I just buy a gear reduction starter? If so, is there a particular brand I should buy? Any recommendations?
Thanks,
Eric

Just rebuild the solenoid and starter. The whole reason for having an old Yanmar is that they were originally built with the absolute top quality rebuildable components. They were designed to be fixed. You aren't going to be able to replace OEM Yanmar components with aftermarket parts that have that combination of qualities.

Now having said that, the solenoid itself is almost an exception. Early ones came apart with screws -those were easy and lasted forever with normal maintenance. Some later ones were in a crimped cannister. Those are more difficult, but not impossible to get them apart to clean the points inside....it's always the points inside....

The starter itself is easily fixed. Just take it apart and I bet you'll see how it works & what it needs.
rScotty

 

[bmaverick]

Just rebuild the solenoid and starter. The whole reason for having an old Yanmar is that they were originally built with the absolute top quality rebuildable components. They were designed to be fixed. You aren't going to be able to replace OEM Yanmar components with aftermarket parts that have that combination of qualities.

Now having said that, the solenoid itself is almost an exception. Early ones came apart with screws -those were easy and lasted forever with normal maintenance. Some later ones were in a crimped cannister. Those are more difficult, but not impossible to get them apart to clean the points inside....it's always the points inside....

The starter itself is easily fixed. Just take it apart and I bet you'll see how it works & what it needs.
rScotty

He has a solenoid that is metal shell formed over. Meaning, if he tried to open the solenoid up, the entire outer metal shell would be destroyed. I've seen these before. It forces a person to only buy a full solenoid replacement and not to rebuild it.

 

[etpm]

Just so everybody knows, the starter I bought from the eBay seller worked perfectly. I am a little upset that the solenoid that I bought to replace the original one that went bad cost me 70 bucks and a whole new gear reduction starter with solenoid was only about 20 bucks more. The original starter motor is still in great shape, it's the crappy solenoid that can't be taken apart easily that was the problem. I am going to save the original starter motor and am going to attempt to take apart the roll crimped case solenoid when I don't have anything better to do. Crack a beer and crack the case. Also, I need to give a shout out to bmaverick for the suggestion to get a gear reduction starter. It for sure draws less current and turns the motor over just fine. My now 45 year old tractor starts up quickly in cold weather and continues to run great. I love my Yanmar YM2310. Sometimes I wish it was 4wd but most of the time it doesn't matter. And since this year it is getting new tires all the way around the traction is only going to improve.
Eric

 

[ponytug]

@etpm that's great news!

 

[careyo63]

If it works for you is what matters! Just had mine out Yesterday Count of 5 oil light went out and it fired right up. The org. I had rebuilt in 5-/2011 72.00$ And My Tractor stayed all Org. Except the Solenoid and Bushings the starter. Big plus for me! Sounds like a Hard starting problem and cold weather having to do that with another starter? Cold and slow in the is pretty normal. Olimpia Washington is 35 Deg right now so there you have a good opinion.

 

[etpm]

I would rather have kept using the original starter but couldn't get a decent solenoid.
Eric

LIf it works for you is what matters! Just had mine out Yesterday Count of 5 oil light went out and it fired right up. The org. I had rebuilt in 5-/2011 72.00$ And My Tractor stayed all Org. Except the Solenoid and Bushings the starter. Big plus for me! Sounds like a Hard starting problem and cold weather having to do that with another starter? Cold and slow in the is pretty normal. Olimpia Washington is 35 Deg right now so there you have a good opinion.

 

[careyo63]

I know what your saying but I can't understand Why? Yanmar USA? Kind of a unusual problem. Fredricks show the YM2310 and the Ym2500 both ose the same Solenoid SS-502 The YM2500 uses the same starter and Solenoid as the JD.850,950 so a JD. dealer should have the correct one. Your on the other side of the US. from me but I would think that to be true!.

 

[etpm]

I know what your saying but I can't understand Why? Yanmar USA? Kind of a unusual problem. Fredricks show the YM2310 and the Ym2500 both ose the same Solenoid SS-502 The YM2500 uses the same starter and Solenoid as the JD.850,950 so a JD. dealer should have the correct one. Your on the other side of the US. from me but I would think that to be true!.

All I know is that the solenoid I replaced was made with the rolled crimp of the solenoid case and the new replacement also had the rolled crimp. I bought the replacement solenoid from either Fredricks or Hoye, But I think it was Fredricks. In any case, both solenoids had the roll crimped case which is not made to be taken apart. Or put back together. And paying seventy bucks for the thing that started to fail after only 6 months really made me mad. So I coughed up another 20 or so dollars and got a complete starter motor with solenoid. Hopefully it will last longer than 6 months. Before I even replaced the first solenoid I made sure that the problem was indeed the solenoid contacts and not a battery issue or a bad connection issue.These bad connection issues and bad battery issues are so common it was the first thing I checked.
Eric

 

[careyo63]

New JD. starter Solenoid. 850 Same one used for the YM2310 New Solenoid for John Deere 12 Volt Starters 028000-4930 028000-5040 028000-5920 | eBay