There should be a forum rule against AI-generated slop

[quicksandfarmer]

I come here to tap into the opinions and experience of the members. If I wanted to know ChatGPT's opinion, I would ask it. When people just cut and paste answers from AI bots, it adds nothing to the forum. I contend it should be banned.

 

[RjCorazza]

I agree, but on the plus side, it makes it easy to recognize a spam post that's replying to a topic with AI and the spam link.

 

[Rockbadchild]

ho man I had to restrained myself hard to not copy & paste what AI has to say about this opinions lol...

You are in tittle to your opinion and I would even add it's a valid one but personally as long as its stated (copy and paste from AI) I don't see the arm in it, that way you could simply not read that response but it can also add value for some.

 

[Muhammad]

We generally don't allow that. Report the posts.

 

[quicksandfarmer]

We generally don't allow that. Report the posts.

Here's an example:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/whats-the-real-cost-of-accepting-credit-cards-for-a-busniess.587333/post-7194541

 

[bmaverick]

Here's an example:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/whats-the-real-cost-of-accepting-credit-cards-for-a-busniess.587333/post-7194541

oh, it's posted by gator6x4. Lots of people have that person blocked or on their ignore list.

 

[tacticalturnip]

oh, it's posted by gator6x4. Lots of people have that person blocked or on their ignore list.

This.

Our friend Gator is a big fan of the Copy and Paste, feel free to ignore him, you sure wouldn't be the first.

 

[California]

Here's an example:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/whats-the-real-cost-of-accepting-credit-cards-for-a-busniess.587333/post-7194541

How is that an example of AI?

It is likely far more detail than the questioner asked for. But standing alone as a statement responding to the question, it is a near verbatim summary of the definitions I learned in accounting classes.

Gator's not wrong there, just verbose. Maybe that style of posting is unfamiliar here. A lot of his replies are like that. He goes out and finds an answer so comprehensive that there is no room for contradicting it without looking ignorant. The ability to research a topic to provide an accurate summary, is a valuable skill - and an antidote to just believing something without verifying it. Next time someone question his posts, I think the proper response should be something equally detailed if that is what is needed to refute it, not 'nah that could never be'.

 

[California]

... And I agree a post written by a LLM engine should never be believed without separate research to see if it is reasonable. It can be based on more background information than an individual could ever find, best case, but the absence of human common sense and integrity makes AI dangerous.

I think we are nearing the era where propaganda and marketing written by AI will be overwhelmingly persuasive - because each message is tailored to the individual recipient.

 

[mrmikey]

Agree, If I wanted AI I would have asked.

 

[quicksandfarmer]

How is that an example of AI?

It is likely far more detail than the questioner asked for. But standing alone as a statement responding to the question, it is a near verbatim summary of the definitions I learned in accounting classes.

Gator's not wrong there, just verbose. Maybe that style of posting is unfamiliar here. A lot of his replies are like that. He goes out and finds an answer so comprehensive that there is no room for contradicting it without looking ignorant. The ability to research a topic to provide an accurate summary, is a valuable skill - and an antidote to just believing something without verifying it. Next time someone question his posts, I think the proper response should be something equally detailed if that is what is needed to refute it, not 'nah that could never be'.

I'm not positive, but it looks very much like the output that AI would give. The formatting is a giveaway.

Now, it's entirely possible that the poster typed all that out himself and formatted it that way. But it seems unlikely.

 

[RjCorazza]

I'm not positive, but it looks very much like the output that AI would give. The formatting is a giveaway.

Now, it's entirely possible that the poster typed all that out himself and formatted it that way. But it seems unlikely.

There is no question in my mind that it was AI generated.

 

[rontaki]

I hope this forum allows NS (Natural Stupidity) so I can continue to post.

 

[California]

I'm not positive, but it looks very much like the output that AI would give. The formatting is a giveaway.

Now, it's entirely possible that the poster typed all that out himself and formatted it that way. But it seems unlikely.

Likely. It seems to be his custom to quote, intact, lengthy information that responds to the question.

My experience independently finding stuff then reading what Gator said, has been that he got it right. (mostly). So the only problem is the length and complexity of the replies, not the content.

We're going to see more of this, ask ChatGPT and it spits out replies like this. The school world is full of it now, as kids fake their term paper 'research'. We're living in a new era.

The AI tools have access to far more information than an individual could find in a lifetime. Might as well make use of it - so long as we review for reasonableness before asserting that it is credible.

There's lots of garbage AI replies out there too. The classic example was the advice to use white school glue to keep pizza toppings from falling off. That joke got repeated many times and AI didn't know the difference and reported it as valid. Now imagine what is going to be the output of asking a question where much propaganda exists. ...

 

[caver]

A think I told this story before but a couple months ago i was curious and asked Grok a question on how to do a task on my backhoe (repair). I was impressed as it found the same information I found over many months searching on other forums. I would bet it's giving the big search engine a run for it's money. Am I leery of ai? yes.

 

[California]

Looking for something else and I ran across this, that I saved long ago. Relevant here. AI does data. It doesn't 'know' if its claimed information is valid.

 

[zzvyb6]

Do you realize that this forum is actually a form of A.I. ? It's just a collection of feelings and opinions about accomplishing some task, trained by the lessons and comments (whether true or not) by a dataset of user's submissions on a wide variety of experiences. It's not a conscious entity, just a verbal spewing of a bell curve of ways to do, buy, service, and operate stuff. Just ask here whats the best mower for cutting 3 acres of lawn. Everybody who chimes-in bought the 'best one' even a goat or some sheep.

 

[rontaki]

Looking for something else and I ran across this, that I saved long ago. Relevant here. AI does data. It doesn't 'know' if its claimed information is valid.


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Frank Zappa said: "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best."

 

[California]

AI news of the weird. Really weird. AI can now let you talk to a deceased family member, after your saved videos and phone conversations are used to train it - to give it personality. He says South Koreans are paying $12k for a 30 minute conversation. And - you can record your own Will, and the AI version later can (hopefully) make decisions you would make if you hadn't died.

The future is going to be strange ...

This guy is generally credible. He's a huckster for internet marketing, and has a good instinct to sense whatever fad is emerging.

 

[Runner]

I wonder sometimes, on this forum, I see a 20 page long thread on "what brand of chainsaw should I buy?", or "what do I need to know about ZTR's?", then, 10 minutes later, see another thread on the exact same subject started by someone who only has one post.

Am I being naive or paranoid if I wonder if such a thread is being started by a bot?