12 States to ban diesel vehicles

[ultrarunner]

Back when cars showed up it was fairly easy to set up a filling station.

Now, many cities outright ban filling stations or at least new ones.

I wonder if American Ingenuity would have been the same if forefathers had all of the same rules as today?

 

[Too many Kubotas]

That's why I don't put much stock in the "we can't have EV's because our infrastructure can't support them" argument. It sells American ingenuity short.

That would mean that California doesn't have any ingenuity left, which might be true, but even with lower EV numbers than they had hoped for there are already scheduled power outages because the grids can support the demand.

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

Back when cars showed up it was fairly easy to set up a filling station.

Now, many cities outright ban filling stations or at least new ones.

I wonder if American Ingenuity would have been the same if forefathers had all of the same rules as today?

It took more than just filling stations - refineries, pipelines, etc, but I agree with you that the regulatory environment is a different animal today. That's the biggest hurdle to infrastructure. It's something people and legislators are going to have to get a handle on. The electricity and water demands of AI are staggering.

 

[ultrarunner]

A new Bay Area Refinery went through 20 years of permitting and was only several more to breaking ground and the plug was pulled… owners decided no longer viable…

2 California refineries have given notice of pending closure…

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

That would mean that California doesn't have any ingenuity left, which might be true, but even with lower EV numbers than they had hoped for there are already scheduled power outages because the grids can support the demand.

I'd like to see stats on where that energy is being consumed because Meta is putting in a new data center in our area and their energy burn is going to be insane. They're going to be piping in water from a long way off just for cooling due to the energy their computers will burn. I'm guessing EVs are a drop in the bucket compared to modern data centers now that AI is taking off.

 

[M59]

On a personal level my wife and I both drive battery EVs and we also have an old truck that's obviously not an EV.

This isn't to say that policy level decisions are always the way to go. Sometimes they have unintended consequences. But there was no policy or law that mandated I switch to EVs, though there were many state and federal efforts to help advance the adoption as there are with many things. The free market gave me the option and I made the decision that I thought was right for me based on what I would like to think was a sound and sensible process.

Did CA or San Diego provide any financial benefit to your purchase of electric vehicles? A CA friend, 15 years ago, went the electric car route because CA incentivized the purchase of electric cars and the PV installed on his property. My memory was 50% of cost for PV was paid by state so it was no thought required as the financial breakeven was less than 5 years.

 

[Hay Dude]

A new Bay Area Refinery went through 20 years of permitting and was only several more to breaking ground and the plug was pulled… owners decided no longer viable…

2 California refineries have given notice of pending closure…

I heard the Valero refinery was closing because of insane regulations, leaving only the Phillips 66 refinery. Gas is going to get very expensive in CA, as if it wasn’t already

 

[rontaki]

It’s one thing to say going forward regs are changing for new but tradition always respected grandfathered equipment… until now.

Society in general no longer respects tradition. Barry McGuire was on to something!

 

[ultrarunner]

It’s the California blend that prohibits imports…

The State is floating the idea of operating the refinery.

Chevron world headquarters is a beautiful college campus style in San Ramon…

I should say was because Chevron sold it moving operations to Texas…

How many world class employers will follow?

 

[rontaki]

I'd like to see stats on where that energy is being consumed because Meta is putting in a new data center in our area and their energy burn is going to be insane. They're going to be piping in water from a long way off just for cooling due to the energy their computers will burn. I'm guessing EVs are a drop in the bucket compared to modern data centers now that AI is taking off.

This is why we want Greenland - for the cooling, not minerals.