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[Jstpssng]

The discussion of subsidies for EV/solar/wind is interesting. It's tough to find unbiased information, but the lowest number I could find for subsidies for the fossil fuel industry in the US is about $20 billion per year. That's no justification but it shows that EV subsidies aren't unique.

What are those "subsidies" though? In the past when I tried to find out it seemed like simply writing off expenses... just like any business does.

Edit: here's a Forbes article which refutes my statement above, but also does the same for the subsidy argument.

What Jon Stewart And Others Get Wrong About Big Oil Subsidies

Are oil companies really receiving billions in government subsidies? This article breaks down the misconceptions, tax policies, and who benefits from energy incentives.

www.forbes.com

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

What are those "subsidies" though? In the past when I tried to find out it seemed like simply writing off expenses... just like any business does.

That's why it's so hard to find unbiased information. The $20 billion, which was the lowest number I could find, was unique industry specific tax breaks and direct subsidies for oil & gas. Some clearly biased sources had numbers like $700 billion, but they were counting intangibles like "reduced quality of life due to pollution".

 

[Torvy]

The discussion of subsidies for EV/solar/wind is interesting. It's tough to find unbiased information, but the lowest number I could find for subsidies for the fossil fuel industry in the US is about $20 billion per year. That's no justification but it shows that EV subsidies aren't unique.

Those subsidies exist because we need petroleum products for national defense. Even in a mythical world where we have enough wind and solar and batteries to have EV tanks, we still need lubrication.

There is no national security rationale for wind and solar.

We need to streamline the nuclear plant process.

 

[gsganzer]

It wouldn't surprise me if the auto manufacturers were/are pushing for DPF and SCR. Both technologies/components put a lot of money in their pocket. The upfront charge for the equipment and then the increase in repair costs. It's probably one of the costliest repairs you can make. My daughters Ram was having issues with her DEF tank level. Of course they don't just sell the level sensors, you have to buy the entire tank, sensor and pump system.

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

Those subsidies exist because we need petroleum products for national defense.

In 2024 the top 5 oil producers (Shell, BP, Chevron, ExxonMobil, and TotalEnergies) had combined profits of $102 billion. Why do they need subsidies? Sounds like big government handouts to me.

We need to streamline the nuclear plant process.

Agreed.

 

[Jstpssng]

Why do they need subsidies? Sounds like big government handouts to me

I would have to see verified, quanitified numbers for said subsidies before I could even form an opinion. I merely broached the subject because I often see petroleum subsidies brough up but been unable to find out what they are.

 

[Renze]

We'll do it the modern way. All of our food will be grown in other countries and deliveries will be done using magic.

Naah you cant, the European Union bans ICE in 2035 too, so you guys ought to grow our food

 

[Too many Kubotas]

My daughters Ram was having issues with her DEF tank level. Of course they don't just sell the level sensors, you have to buy the entire tank, sensor and pump system.

Never heard of anyone having to buy the tank before.

The rest is probably all in one unit, so it makes sense if the pump, heater, and sensor comes as one. And those are available even on eBay.

Time for a different dealer maybe?

 

[EscapedSuburbia]

It's also worth checking to see if the DEF head is still covered under a warranty. Emissions stuff typically has a longer warranty than the rest of the vehicle. The DEF head in my RV is warranted for 10 years and some people report successfully getting a reimbursement for one they had changed already.

 

[Torvy]

In 2024 the top 5 oil producers (Shell, BP, Chevron, ExxonMobil, and TotalEnergies) had combined profits of $102 billion. Why do they need subsidies? Sounds like big government handouts to me.

Agreed.

Picking individual years is not a way to judge. Neither is lumping the top 5 in without including everyone.

Out of context 'profit' doesnt say much.

Our national interest is to ensure they continue to explore domestic sources.