Buying Advice Debating buying an Avant 528 loader

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spindlewood

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Kioti DK40SE HST Cab
I sold my house and my Kioti DK40SE along with it. Moved to a smaller property (sloping 2 acres) and got older along the way. I'm planning landscaping and an orchard. I'd like advice on what the Avant 528 can and can't (or shouldn't) do. I would get a 4 in 1 bucket, forks, auger, and flail mower. These seem like the basics. I need to cut paths into the rocky hillside, dig holes for trees, remove "islands" of grass to be replaced with good soil for landscaping, put in a metal stake fence, move lots of dirt (bark, compost, etc), mow the orchard, and remove felled trees.

I know I may need to rent equipment for things the Avant doesn't do well. I'd just like to know what that is up front.

The first question is around leveling paths on the hill. Currently, the ground is a mixture of rocky volcanic soil and shredded bark. I want to level 6-7 foot wide paths that are a foot or so sloped from upper to lower point. Is doing this with the Avant 4-in-1 bucket advisable, or should I hire someone to come in with the "right" equipment?

Part of the property is covered in thick grass with hard packed rocky soil underneath. We need to remove sections of it, bring in new soil and get it ready for trees and shrubs. Can the Avant 4-in-1 bucket cut through the grass and soil - either as a bucket or with its jaws?

Both the above tasks seem more like a dozer or excavator type task. On my Kioti, I had a backhoe for digging tasks. Can a 4-in-1 bucket handle anything like this?

About 1/2 acre that is currently grass will end up as orchard. Will a flail mower "mow" the rough grass and be appropriate on the Avant for the task of weaving around trees? Right now we hire guys with zero turn mowers to mow the mostly empty lawn area.

I'm hoping the Avant is stable enough and has the traction to get around the hills. I'm curious how it compares to the stability of my old Kioti with filled tires. Are they similar? After we get the paths in, it shouldn't have any issues.

It's a $70k investment with implements - which includes a premium for my remote location. It's not quite equivalent to what I paid for the Kioti with all its implements ($55k in 2014). The Avant is far less powerful and the implements are far less capable as well, but its nimbleness will (hopefully) allow me to get around the whole property where a tractor couldn't. Plus it won't destroy the existing grass. I need something to handle the tasks of rural living, and am hoping this has the right combination of capabilities instead of the wrong set of compromises.

Thoughts?
 
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Can't speak to whether you really need to just hire a dozer or compact track loader. But if you're seriously looking at spending that kind of money, you should also look at the Power Trac PT 1445 which has a 45hp diesel.

 
   / Debating buying an Avant 528 loader #3  
I sold my house and my Kioti DK40SE along with it. Moved to a smaller property (sloping 2 acres) and got older along the way. I'm planning landscaping and an orchard. I'd like advice on what the Avant 528 can and can't (or shouldn't) do. I would get a 4 in 1 bucket, forks, auger, and flail mower. These seem like the basics. I need to cut paths into the rocky hillside, dig holes for trees, remove "islands" of grass to be replaced with good soil for landscaping, put in a metal stake fence, move lots of dirt (bark, compost, etc), mow the orchard, and remove felled trees.

I know I may need to rent equipment for things the Avant doesn't do well. I'd just like to know what that is up front.

The first question is around leveling paths on the hill. Currently, the ground is a mixture of rocky volcanic soil and shredded bark. I want to level 6-7 foot wide paths that are a foot or so sloped from upper to lower point. Is doing this with the Avant 4-in-1 bucket advisable, or should I hire someone to come in with the "right" equipment?

Part of the property is covered in thick grass with hard packed rocky soil underneath. We need to remove sections of it, bring in new soil and get it ready for trees and shrubs. Can the Avant 4-in-1 bucket cut through the grass and soil - either as a bucket or with its jaws?

Both the above tasks seem more like a dozer or excavator type task. On my Kioti, I had a backhoe for digging tasks. Can a 4-in-1 bucket handle anything like this?

About 1/2 acre that is currently grass will end up as orchard. Will a flail mower "mow" the rough grass and be appropriate on the Avant for the task of weaving around trees? Right now we hire guys with zero turn mowers to mow the mostly empty lawn area.

I'm hoping the Avant is stable enough and has the traction to get around the hills. I'm curious how it compares to the stability of my old Kioti with filled tires. Are they similar? After we get the paths in, it shouldn't have any issues.

It's a $70k investment with implements - which includes a premium for my remote location. It's not quite equivalent to what I paid for the Kioti with all its implements ($55k in 2014). The Avant is far less powerful and the implements are far less capable as well, but its nimbleness will (hopefully) allow me to get around the whole property where a tractor couldn't. Plus it won't destroy the existing grass. I need something to handle the tasks of rural living, and am hoping this has the right combination of capabilities instead of the wrong set of compromises.

Thoughts?
Ther are other companies making small articulated loaders with and without telescoping booms. In my area, most of them are seen with tree service companies. I would look around and find one to borrow/rent to try before buying. I don't think you'd be disappointed in performance but a skid steer or miniskid might fit your goals better. Mowing under trees caught my attention, height of rops/fops/cab might need to be considered.

+ others I can't think of at the moment
Steineer and Ventrac may be worth a look too
 
   / Debating buying an Avant 528 loader
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Ther are other companies making small articulated loaders with and without telescoping booms. In my area, most of them are seen with tree service companies. I would look around and find one to borrow/rent to try before buying. I don't think you'd be disappointed in performance but a skid steer or miniskid might fit your goals better. Mowing under trees caught my attention, height of rops/fops/cab might need to be considered.

+ others I can't think of at the moment
Steineer and Ventrac may be worth a look too
As I am in Hawaii, the only dealers on my island for a small articulated loader are Bobcat and Avant. After reading every web review, it was clear the Avant 528 was the choice over the Bobcagt L28.

There are other tractor dealers (e.g. John Deere, Kubota) if I wanted a skid steer, but these will tear up my lawn.

I will ask if there are any on the island to try, but I won't hold my beath. I am under the impression that mine would be the first. They are sooo slow to get back to me with final pricing on a few implements. It's like they've never sold one before. They conference called me in with the dealer rep to answer my questions, since they weren't able.

Good point though on mowing under trees. It'll be a few years before this is a real issue, but it's possible we may have to have a zero turn mower in addition.
 
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Can't speak to whether you really need to just hire a dozer or compact track loader. But if you're seriously looking at spending that kind of money, you should also look at the Power Trac PT 1445 which has a 45hp diesel.

Seems like better bang for the buck cutting out the middle man - with no dealers. The Avant with no implements is $49k and the Power-Trac 1445 is $35k. However, shipping to Hawaii would eat all of that savings up and then some. It cost $13k to ship a container here from the PNW - self packed. Thanks for the suggestion though - it's a good one.
 
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I don’t think you’re going to be satisfied with a loader for those task. One of my friends had a Kubota wheel loader. I don’t remember the model number but it was 4-5 tons operating weight. He eventually traded the loader for a SVL-97 Kubota. The loader was good at loading things as the name suggests. It would lift more than the skid steers could and it could drive around without messing up the ground which the skid steer can’t do. It had better visibility out of the cab than the skid steer does but it had worse forward visibility. The loader was trash at grading any dirt. I never personally attempted using the loader as a dozer but I expect it would not work well. The loader stability was also terrible and a leading reason why he got rid of the loader. The loader aux flow is also pretty lacking for doing any mowing. A skid steer with tracks is also not a dozer but it’s much closer to being one than the loader ever dreamed of being.
 
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I looked at Avant. The turn off for me is the proprietary attachments. They do look nice for tip-toeing around without tearing up the place.

From what you describe I'd think about owning a mini excavator until you get the place put together how you want it. Paired with a little tractor to keep long term for maintenance. No more hours than you will put on a mini it would hold its value very well.
 
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As I am in Hawaii, the only dealers on my island for a small articulated loader are Bobcat and Avant. After reading every web review, it was clear the Avant 528 was the choice over the Bobcagt L28.

There are other tractor dealers (e.g. John Deere, Kubota) if I wanted a skid steer, but these will tear up my lawn.

I will ask if there are any on the island to try, but I won't hold my beath. I am under the impression that mine would be the first. They are sooo slow to get back to me with final pricing on a few implements. It's like they've never sold one before. They conference called me in with the dealer rep to answer my questions, since they weren't able.

Good point though on mowing under trees. It'll be a few years before this is a real issue, but it's possible we may have to have a zero turn mower in addition.
A little mileage difference from Idaho to Hawaii 😲 I had a 755 loaner at the farm for a week. I was relatively pleased with its can and can't performance. Really liked the tele-boom but wished it was 2 feet longer. IMO, stability was fine, even when stacking some one ton pallets. Can you lift a ton above cab height and comfortably drive around the yard? No Counterweights and/or filled tires can be added
Me, I don't really care for a 4n1 bucket. I prefer a bucket and a grapple. 4n1's are nice on larger track loaders (JD455 up) they just don't really do it for me when its much easier to just swap. The attachment mount is not ssqa but they do have an adapter plate (or weld one up).
Fine grading, if you can do it with a tractor you can learn to do it with a mini wheel loader.
In case you haven't seen, this group has some articles to read while you decide/wait.
 
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I think they may not use SSQA mounts. The Power Trac isn't SSQA, for example.

I'd be curious what a Kioti compact track loader costs in Hawaii in comparison to the Avant. SSQA attachments for it are commonplace in the states at least.
 

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