Camp property found, now updates.

[HawkinsHollow]

A few points that will cover many comments. This is shelf rock country and the owner said you can't put in a sand point. The road going out is in terrible shape and any work being done out there, will greatly be influenced by that. So the roads improvement potential needs to be investigated before any major updates can be done that require more than a UTV traveling in.

Seems like the road is the big sticking point. Is it possible it will be cost prohibitive to get that road truck capable?

 

[jjeff]

A few points that will cover many comments. This is shelf rock country and the owner said you can't put in a sand point. The road going out is in terrible shape and any work being done out there, will greatly be influenced by that. So the roads improvement potential needs to be investigated before any major updates can be done that require more than a UTV traveling in.

On the bright side I think by code you need a septic first or built concurrently before you put in a well up there... So No county building or state health department inspector could make it down your road anyway. You are definitely off the grid and for that matter civilization with that property, pretty much free to do what you want Out there.

 

[fatjay]

Hey @fatjay did you do a write up of this. I am interested in reading about this.

About 40 pages, starting around here: New garage time!

 

[ArlyA]

On the bright side I think by code you need a septic first or built concurrently before you put in a well up there... So No county building or state health department inspector could make it down your road anyway. You are definitely off the grid and for that matter civilization with that property, pretty much free to do what you want Out there.

Septic must be in 1st but folks put in sand points on the own. Well drillers are licensed and must get a permit to drill.

 

[paulsharvey]

Rules vary widely, but here, for a CO (certificate of occupancy) sewer (septic in this case), water (well here), access, and grid tied power would all need complete prior to CO. I have no idea how things in Mich work.

One work around here; you get an irrigation well permitted (for your agricultural operation, wink wink), with a power pole, and a 20amp receptacle permitted; 40 amp 240v for well, 2 20amp,120v receptacles; but you pull wire for 200 amp. Once everything is closed out, boom, you wire as you please. Then you can add your camper, camp, whatever, and your diy, unpermitted septic, ect.

Not saying good, bad, or should vs shouldnt; just how people do it.

 

[MossRoad]

A few points that will cover many comments. This is shelf rock country and the owner said you can't put in a sand point. The road going out is in terrible shape and any work being done out there, will greatly be influenced by that. So the roads improvement potential needs to be investigated before any major updates can be done that require more than a UTV traveling in.

Ah, remember the old days when you could by some dynamite and make your own gravel?

Good thing to know what's under you before you start trying to pound a sand point.

 

[Eagle1]

Rules vary widely, but here, for a CO (certificate of occupancy) sewer (septic in this case), water (well here), access, and grid tied power would all need complete prior to CO. I have no idea how things in Mich work.

One work around here; you get an irrigation well permitted (for your agricultural operation, wink wink), with a power pole, and a 20amp receptacle permitted; 40 amp 240v for well, 2 20amp,120v receptacles; but you pull wire for 200 amp. Once everything is closed out, boom, you wire as you please. Then you can add your camper, camp, whatever, and your diy, unpermitted septic, ect.

Not saying good, bad, or should vs shouldnt; just how people do it.

Camp is off grid might not be feasible to pull power from miles away...

Here with 80 acres not permitting for anything unless you are in town but anything not near a power line is either off grid or you will spend some serious coin pulling power.

 

[jjeff]

Camp is off grid might not be feasible to pull power from miles away...

Here with 80 acres not permitting for anything unless you are in town but anything not near a power line is either off grid or you will spend some serious coin pulling power.

You will save some money if you can or have the means to trench it in yourself if I remember the power Co only hooked the line I laid and got myself to power pole and the meter on pole barn. It was legit underground rated cable for service off the pole I bought not a
16 gauge extension chord, lol. I remember the power Co crew being almost ecstatic that I dug an actual trench with my old tp bh and not a garden hoe.

 

[jjeff]

Funny thing about owning something and building or fixing things diy Ill occasionally look back and think good grief how did I do that or that was a lot of hard work hopefully I did it well, Lol. I think you will know what I'm talking about after your big projects you deem necessary are completed on your new property and your sitting around the fire and reminisce about it.

 

[shooterdon]

You have some projects ahead and like jjeff said above you will look back and think about how your work has paid off.

One thing to consider. Does it make sense to put up a barnomonium closer to the road instead of upgrading the cabin? Upgrading and maintaining a one mile driveway might get expensive, and it is long way to clear for a weekend at camp in the winter. With a barnominium you will be set for decades, and it will increase the value of the land if you every sell it. Plus, it gives you a place to camp and store your equipment.

My neighbor moved a cabin about 1 mile down a two track, and we had to cut down a dozen trees to get it through some tight spots. You may not have that option from the sounds of it.