4707

[daugen]

Did you not throw a code? Did the triangle flash wile it was happening?

when a sensor throws a code the triangle will light up and the code will be at the bottom of screen. But the code goes away so you need to write it down or take a pic. the dealer can pull codes but we have no way to cycle through them.

I never threw a code for anything, I think.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

I never threw a code for anything, I think.

Well, thats not good imo. I dont want a wonkey 3pt. My hay mower conditioner is 3pt. Hopefully like others have said and I’ve experienced somewhat is the wonky will stop with draft off. I couldn't imagine the rage if i need to mow hay and this thing decides to poltergeist.

 

[terothex]

Diesel emissions
1. diesel engines produce NOX which like cow farts are bad for the environment, to reduce NOX due to high combustion temps so a exhaust gas recirculation (egr) was introduced to ad cooled oxygen depleted gas to the intake to cool the combustion but this created more soot.
2. To reduce soot a diesel particulate filter (dpf) was added which needed to run hot especially during regen, more heat more NOX so the SCR was added to inject urea to convert the NOX into nitrogen and water.
Some manufactures went with a lean fuel system to be able to eliminate the expensive dpf and instead run a diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC) and scr with def.
Massey Ferguson 4707, 4708, 4709 and 4710 all use the 33AWIC engines with different fuel maps in the ECU,
The 4707 is a detuned 4710 without the emissions so I chose to purchase a 4707 and install the 4710 fuel map.
I hope I got this emissions info right.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

Diesel emissions
1. diesel engines produce NOX which like cow farts are bad for the environment, to reduce NOX due to high combustion temps so a exhaust gas recirculation (egr) was introduced to ad cooled oxygen depleted gas to the intake to cool the combustion but this created more soot.
2. To reduce soot a diesel particulate filter (dpf) was added which needed to run hot especially during regen, more heat more NOX so the SCR was added to inject urea to convert the NOX into nitrogen and water.
Some manufactures went with a lean fuel system to be able to eliminate the expensive dpf and instead run a diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC) and scr with def.
Massey Ferguson 4707, 4708, 4709 and 4710 all use the 33AWIC engines with different fuel maps in the ECU,
The 4707 is a detuned 4710 without the emissions so I chose to purchase a 4707 and install the 4710 fuel map.
I hope I got this emissions info right.

Same turbo and injectors? That would be a great work around to get a 100hp no def tractor, all though you still have the scr with high pressure fuel, egr and a hotter running diesel engine than non goverment screwed up engines.

 

[EddieWalker]

It's fairly common for people to buy the 4707 because it doesn't have the DEF stuff and tune it up to 100hp or more after the warrantee is up.

 

[daugen]

someone has/had a kit for that upgrade online, was about 300 bucks to get 30hp.
seemed like quite a bargain since the frame was always sized at the 100hp level anyway

I didn't need the extra hp, wasn't running hay balers or things like that
I am curious to know if the oem 100hp pistons and rings are the same as the 70hp base version.
want to know if any upgraded parts included

I always enjoyed the knowledge I was running a derated engine which was stressing the entire powertrain less than
max output. My 4707 was delivered with the same tires at the 4710, big radials that dwarfed what I had before on Kubotas.
but I think the next year they may have decontented the 4707 and put a smaller Trelleborg radial on it. May have been a supply issue,
larger size was all they had when they built mine. A feeling of unstoppable power and grip out the wazoo.

 

[EddieWalker]

I bought hay from a guy a few years ago that tuned his 4707 to 100 hp for haying. He said the extra HP made a huge difference, and he liked the tractor a lot more after doing that. I only bought from him once because he was always sold out when I called him again. I don't know any of the details of what he used to do this.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

someone has/had a kit for that upgrade online, was about 300 bucks to get 30hp.
seemed like quite a bargain since the frame was always sized at the 100hp level anyway

I didn't need the extra hp, wasn't running hay balers or things like that
I am curious to know if the oem 100hp pistons and rings are the same as the 70hp base version.
want to know if any upgraded parts included

I always enjoyed the knowledge I was running a derated engine which was stressing the entire powertrain less than
max output. My 4707 was delivered with the same tires at the 4710, big radials that dwarfed what I had before on Kubotas.
but I think the next year they may have decontented the 4707 and put a smaller Trelleborg radial on it. May have been a supply issue,
larger size was all they had when they built mine. A feeling of unstoppable power and grip out the wazoo.

Usually pistons are the same, but injectors and turbos are bigger on the higher HP with the same engine. A quick cross reference of parts will show if its just a tune, but rarely thats the case.

 

[Hersheyfarm]

a quick parts search shows all parts are the same except the turbo, which is can be crucial to get full hp.
Ford for instance detunes their cab/chassis trucks and one thing is a smaller turbo.

4707 turbo V837074744

4707 injector V837073791

4707 piston V837086493

4707 con rod V837079659



4710 turbo ACP0515150

4710 injector V837073791

4710 Piston V837086493

4710 con rod V837079659

 

[daugen]

thanks Hershey Farm for looking that up.
makes sense to put a bigger blower on it, match more fuel with more air
The early kit didn't have a new turbo, makes sense though.

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Been four years with my 4707 now and still love it. It's just a fantastic tractor. The upgraded loader (with self-leveling) was well worth the money and it's easily the most comfortable tractor I've ever operated.

In four years, they've gone up $11k, though.

 

[EddieWalker]

Just over 3 years of owning mine and it's still doing great. I love how I can get home from work and it's too hot to do anything outside except get in the cab, turn on the AC, and catch up on my mowing!!!

 

[daugen]

Just over 3 years of owning mine and it's still doing great. I love how I can get home from work and it's too hot to do anything outside except get in the cab, turn on the AC, and catch up on my mowing!!!

in Texas maybe you had to but in NC I never had to get above the second fan speed.
Helped that tractor was parked in barn and thus no prior heat bake on it

other than the jerky three point control, which I feel better knowing I'm not the only one who had issues with it, my only wish on this tractor was that they hinged the iron grate over the moon roof. Hinge it back for cleaning and clip it in vs a spot for stuff to collect and hard to get a cleaning mop underneath.

Initially had concerns over it being a three cylinder. Also owned a 3 cyl 50hp Massey, totally different tractors and I'm now a believer in less than four cylinders. I think the sound is just a little harsher. Vs my 27hp Massey with a Mitsubishi four that ran amazingly quiet and smooth, one of my favorite motors. One 3 cyl came from India, this one came from Massey's new factory in China. Massey has always been very international in its approach, wonder how pricing is affected by the current tariffs.
Their other factor is in Brazil.

They have their big tractor factory in Jackson Minnesota, perhaps it could add more lines.

Now to see how they hold up at 5000 hours.
I remember seeing a surprising number of big Masseys in the shop for new clutch packs, some with Sisu engines, who Massey finally bought.

 

[EddieWalker]

I haven't had any issues with the 3 point being jerky. I really like having the fender controls on both fenders. That's really made hooking things up a lot easier!!!

The clutch is another story. It's very jerky. I've read up on how to calibrate it, but I just use forward reverse lever on the left of the steering wheel, and the button on the gear shift to bypass the clutch. The only time I use the clutch is when I start it, or a panic stop. And for some reason, I push on both the clutch and the brakes at the same time when I feel that I absolutely have to stop right that second.

Since the 4707 uses the same engine as the 100 hp 4710, I don't have any concerns with it being 3 cylinders. It's so far derated of what it's capable of that I have no worries about it at all. 70hp is plenty for what I use it for.

 

[17Espinozao]

Man I just logged on to ask the same question. The fuel Guage was at about 3/4 and it pegs empty and slowly comes back up while in neutral and pegs spuradically when driving. I got the same code sometimes and an audible alarm. Sometimes I only get the pegged needle with the red empty light and no audible alarm or fault code. Mine is a 2022 4707 with about 5 hours on it.

Good-afternoon, I’m having the same problem with my tractor right now. Can’t seem to find the issue. Where you ever able to find the problem?

 

[17Espinozao]

Anyone happen to know what the following fault code is:

d 3
516427

Guessing it has something to do with the fuel gauge which is reading zero when it’s half full.

Hello, currently having the same problem were you able to diagnose it? Been a little over a week now and I can’t find what’s wrong.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

some with Sisu engines, who Massey finally bought.

Massey didn't buy Sisu, AGCO bought Sisu and put them in Masseys, that they (AGCO) also own.

SR

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

Four years and a little over 200 hours later, my '21 4707 still has a jerky clutch, but I mitigate it by not using it very much and only when necessary. As a previous poster said, just use the reverser and the button on the shifter.

As far as the 3pt issue, my tractor initially had it pretty bad. The dealer sent a tech out a couple times and could not fix it, so they eventually loaded it up and took back to their shop for a week or so and when I got it back, it worked quite a bit better. Not perfect, but almost.

The hood still won't stay up when lifted, but I guess it's going to be that way as long as I own the tractor.

Having said all that, this is the best tractor I've ever owned or operated and I look forward to every time I hop in it.

 

[daugen]

some with Sisu engines, who Massey finally bought.

Massey didn't buy Sisu, AGCO bought Sisu and put them in Masseys, that they (AGCO) also own.

SR

thank you Rob I stand corrected
it was misquoted in what I read

 

[Hersheyfarm]

My theory on the jerky clutch. The clutch pedal is just a sensor, just like the forward and reverse shifter(if you pull up on it you can slowly release it like the pedal). The clutch is completely controlled electronically by solenoids. The reverse lever and the clutch pedal just sends a signal to it. Problem is the solenoids only work at their speed. So when you push clutch in to do something like hooking up a bucket or pallet..or whatever, when you go to re-engage it you believe the clutch pedal level is where the clutch is, but every time you push in the pedal the solenoids completely disengage the clutch but as you re-engage slowly the solenoids are catching up to you but you feel you need to let more clutch out, by the time it catches up to you its catching to quick. Clutch by wire is stupid.