Have you ever had one of those projects?

/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #21  
I haven't posted in a while but today it's cold and wet outside so here goes. It started off with putting up an electric fence. I'm so tired of all the work and expense of putting in a garden then have it eaten by the deer in my area. Last year a friend put in my garden while I was in the hospital having open heart surgery. By the time I got out everything had come up and it was picture perfect. He put in several different types of tomatoes and peppers and squash plants. He planted 4 rows of sweet corn, and I never saw anything like it. Every plant was in a perfect line, and I believe every seed he planted came up.

When I first looked at it, I had tears in my eyes. I guess some tears were of joy, and in the back of my mind tears for what I knew would probably happen. Normally I have to replant my corn several time just to get a few ears to eat. In the past they never bothered the tomatoes, peppers and squash plants or the cucumbers because I have them in wire cages. Well along about two days after I got home, I went out to admire my friends work and as I looked out over the corn I could see about a third of it had been eaten. Never mind the cussing spree that was about to happen but after it was over I went to the barn and got another bag of seed and replanted what was gone. The next day when I went out the rest of the corn was gone and not only that the cucumbers that were in those wire cages was gone also. They had nibbled on the pepper plants and stomped all the squash plants into the ground. Back to the barn for more seed. In normal years after I do this a couple times, they seem to move on and then all I have to worry about is the crows and squirrels which mess with the corn until it gets up to about 4 or 5 inches tall. The next day when I went out and looked, they had come back and finished off everything. Tomato plants, pepper plants and the rest of the corn patch right into the ground there was nothing left. I won't go into what happened over the next couple weeks because I plead the 5th.

My plan was last year to put up this electric fencing, but that plan was interrupted by my stay in the hospital which brings me up to this point in time. It all started out with me wanting to cut some medal stakes to use as corner braces. Everything was going well until I got my hands on my new Milwaukee band saw. I was carrying it to the front of the shop and when I went to put it on to the tailgate of my ford F250 somehow my finger got connected with the trigger thingy and you know the rest. My truck is fairly high, and I guess me trying to lift the saw that high things got a little wacky and is why my finger got on to the trigger. Well I was off ballance a little and with my other hand I tried to grab the little handle on the front of the saw but somehow my hand got connected with the saw blade and just about cut the end of my finger off. I guess it could have been worst though. I bandaged it up the best I could before I blead out and with the overwhelming pain I continued on with the project. In the back of my mind, I knew it needed stiches, but when duty calls it's go time. The next morning, I wanted to take that bandage off and do a little better job of cleaning and rebandaging it. It took me 45 minutes to get that bandage off and it was at this time I remembered the thought of going to the house to get some Vaseline to put on the cut to make it easier to remove the bandage. With tears in my eyes, I finally managed to get it off and as soon as I looked at it, I knew I was headed to the ER. 4 hours and 11 stiches later I was back in action.

Thank goodness I had already put in most all of my post and all was left was to put on the insulators and string the wire. I gave up on the corner braces because of time and other reasons and figured I could add them later if needed. It was about this time that I looked at these two trees that were beside the fence and decided they needed to go. One was a big leaning white oak and the other was a pine tree. I headed to the shop to gather up the tools needed like my Kubota, ladder, straps and my trusty ms 400 Stihl chain saw. The more I looked at it the more I knew that oak tree was not going to go the way I wanted it to but what the heck it was worth trying. The worst that could happen besides killing me was it would bend up a few posts and smash my blueberry bushes. Everything was set up and my plan was to tie off the tree with the tractor, put as much pull on it as I could then lock the brake then cut it down and hope for the best. In my younger years I would have climbed the tree and cut it down in pieces but those days a all gone now. I made my first cut and then went back to the tractor to see if then I could get a little more pull on it which it did, so I went about making the final cut. Everything was going well and for a moment I was going to succeed but out of nowhere came a big gust of wind out of a clear calm day and at that instant I knew things were headed in the wrong direction. Even with one wedge in the cut that wind gust was enough to pinch the saw and as I stood there, I tried to get another wedge in there, but it kept popping out then another gust blew through and I noticed the tree start to twist and all hell was just about to break loose. I ran down to the tractor to see if I could maybe still get it to go my way but as soon as I put the least bit of pull on the line the what's the worst that could happen thing came a reality. In all this bad luck that tree fell over and somehow not hit the first post or blueberry bush. But with all that good luck some bad had to happen. I looked over at my saw, and it had been thrown off the stump and landed right under the big azz tree bending a brand new 25" bar along with a new chain. No problem, I'll just go in and get my 261 that I had just put a new chain and 20" bar on to cut all this mess up with. I've been cutting trees for almost 60 years and never claimed to be an expert, but I hardly ever get pinched when cutting limbs but in the tangled mess one limb was twisted one way and the other was twisted the other. Thinking about which one to cut first didn't work because as I cut into it that limb got an iron grip on the bar and twisted it against that other limb I was talking about and it was no getting it out. An ax didn't work because I didn't have room to get a good chop on it and I was out of chain saws, so I went back and got that finger cutting band saw and before I knew it, I had two saws at the mercy of this big oak tree. No problem I'll just go in and get my Milwaukee Sawzall and see if I could go three for three. It was a good thing the bandsaw got hung up because something I hadn't noticed was when that limb pinched the chainsaw it shifted the weight of the tree and now, I would have been on the downhill side if I cut it there. I went to the other side and the Sawzall did the trick and to whole thing rolled over still not hitting anything of value. Well, nothing but the brand-new bar and chain on the 261 and my pride.

I'm so glad no one was around to take video of this mission because this one I want to forget about. I did relearn a few things though. If in doubt about a tree not falling the way you want, get a bigger tractor, and it always pays to have a helper nearby just in case. The only good thing was that I hadn't run all that wire, and it didn't trash any of my T-post. Then there is the thing about yesterday it was 86 degrees with clear bright skies. Today there is 2" of snow on the ground and still falling. The bad thing for you guys that gave me the chance to write this long azz post.
My garden solution for deer. 9’ high.


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/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #22  
I had a good couple days! Foot isn't hurting as bad as it has, took my Bride's car in because the A/C quit cooling. Just had a new compressor last August! Told them to give me a call when they figured it out and what it would cost me. There was a high side hose with a pinhole leak, so they put a new hose on it. Called me and said your car is ready. (I was about to hit the roof, cause I knew I hadn't approved any work!) I asked how much...NO CHARGE! Wait, what about the hose? Put a new one on it, just bring it back when you need something else! Wife baked 14 dozen cookies yesterday and I took a big tuperware bowl full to them!
This afternoon a friend brought a jobsite tank by that had to be emptied so they could either repair it or scrap it. He brought a bunch of 5 gallon cans, but the first thing he did was filled up my JD2555 which took about 20 gallons, then he filled his cans, then two of my 5 gallon cans, then the rest filled one of two 55 gallon drums I had cleaned out awaiting him to come by.
I got more than 75-80 gallons of diesel at NO CHARGE. Worse thing about it, is it is red dyed diesel so I can't run it in my pickup, but I have enough tractors around here to make it disappear in no time!
David from jax
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #23  
Once I finally retire, hopefully after this year, I want to dive into gardening. But just a few miles from my retirement place, is a produce stand. I stopped in the other day and bought 6 tomatoes, some okra and a couple red onions. It cost me $4. I'm pretty sure I can't grow them for that, once you add my time and material. The supermarket would probably be 3x that price.

Like most hobbies, I expect gardening will be a labor of love. I think I'm fooling myself if I'm expecting to save money.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #24  
Once I finally retire, hopefully after this year, I want to dive into gardening. But just a few miles from my retirement place, is a produce stand. I stopped in the other day and bought 6 tomatoes, some okra and a couple red onions. It cost me $4. I'm pretty sure I can't grow them for that, once you add my time and material. The supermarket would probably be 3x that price.

Like most hobbies, I expect gardening will be a labor of love. I think I'm fooling myself if I'm expecting to save money.
It’s not about saving money it’s about see the food eat the food. Even buying from the roadside stand guy that you know grew it vs supermarket shipped in from ? And put ? on it while it was growing can have a huge impact on your health/life.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #25  
Once I finally retire, hopefully after this year, I want to dive into gardening. But just a few miles from my retirement place, is a produce stand. I stopped in the other day and bought 6 tomatoes, some okra and a couple red onions. It cost me $4. I'm pretty sure I can't grow them for that, once you add my time and material. The supermarket would probably be 3x that price.

Like most hobbies, I expect gardening will be a labor of love. I think I'm fooling myself if I'm expecting to save money.
So true. Gardening for us has been so hit and miss that over 15 years, we broke even, maybe 3 times. And for flavor, there is always the local farmer's market, which almost always is less expensive than tending our smallish garden. The road side stands around here, unless they are connected to a known farmer, are all reselling Costco. For us, gardening really is just a hobby. And we have focused on vegetables that are expensive in stores, like ginger, and rare heirloom types of flavor additive, vegetables: Radishes, Basil, Cherry tomatoes, Sweet Peas, etc....
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #26  
I had a good couple days! Foot isn't hurting as bad as it has, took my Bride's car in because the A/C quit cooling. Just had a new compressor last August! Told them to give me a call when they figured it out and what it would cost me. There was a high side hose with a pinhole leak, so they put a new hose on it. Called me and said your car is ready. (I was about to hit the roof, cause I knew I hadn't approved any work!) I asked how much...NO CHARGE! Wait, what about the hose? Put a new one on it, just bring it back when you need something else! Wife baked 14 dozen cookies yesterday and I took a big tuperware bowl full to them!
This afternoon a friend brought a jobsite tank by that had to be emptied so they could either repair it or scrap it. He brought a bunch of 5 gallon cans, but the first thing he did was filled up my JD2555 which took about 20 gallons, then he filled his cans, then two of my 5 gallon cans, then the rest filled one of two 55 gallon drums I had cleaned out awaiting him to come by.
I got more than 75-80 gallons of diesel at NO CHARGE. Worse thing about it, is it is red dyed diesel so I can't run it in my pickup, but I have enough tractors around here to make it disappear in no time!
David from jax
Do you know, or heard of anyone by name, that's actually been ticketed for off-road diesel in an OTR vehicle?? Me neither; just old-wives tales.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #27  
Do you know, or heard of anyone by name, that's actually been ticketed for off-road diesel in an OTR vehicle?? Me neither; just old-wives tales.
My wife sat on a grand jury and watched the cases go by, red fuel in on the road trucks is a costly proposition. One case was thousands in fines.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #28  
No one checks your diesel as to if is Red colored. Really, no one has ever done this.. But I live in Oregon.
 
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Do you know, or heard of anyone by name, that's actually been ticketed for off-road diesel in an OTR vehicle?? Me neither; just old-wives tales.
Know them by name, no. I’ve seen it happen though, twice.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #30  
The owner of the company where I used to work got caught using off road diesel in his tractor trailers. Heavy fines, court costs etc, never did it again.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #31  
... And we have focused on vegetables that are expensive in stores, like ginger, and rare heirloom types of flavor additive, vegetables: Radishes, Basil, Cherry tomatoes, Sweet Peas, etc....
I remember one year I planted a bunch of onion sets at the start of the season. At the end of the season, I dug them up and was sorely disappointed. They didn't grow much at all. My wife and I still laugh about it.

Onions and potato's are some of the cheapest vegetables. So, unless someone's wanting to grow a certain variety, not available elsewhere, I don't understand the point of growing them.

There are a lot of other vegetables that definitely make sense though, especially tomatoes. I also enjoy eggplant, squash, peas and beans. I'd also like to try my hand at growing different types of garlic and then preserving it and giving some out as gifts.

The one thing we've had really great success with is our hydroponic tower for growing lettuce and other greens. Especially in the cooler months, with the tower out in our garage (it has a light kit.) It produces so much lettuce, it out supplies the two of us and we give a lot away to the neighbors. For anyone that's considering a hydroponic garden, I can highly recommend this one Tower Garden Flex, with a light kit, if you have room to use it indoors.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #32  
I remember one year I planted a bunch of onion sets at the start of the season. At the end of the season, I dug them up and was sorely disappointed. They didn't grow much at all. My wife and I still laugh about it.

Onions and potato's are some of the cheapest vegetables. So, unless someone's wanting to grow a certain variety, not available elsewhere, I don't understand the point of growing them.

There are a lot of other vegetables that definitely make sense though, especially tomatoes. I also enjoy eggplant, squash, peas and beans. I'd also like to try my hand at growing different types of garlic and then preserving it and giving some out as gifts.

The one thing we've had really great success with is our hydroponic tower for growing lettuce and other greens. Especially in the cooler months, with the tower out in our garage (it has a light kit.) It produces so much lettuce, it out supplies the two of us and we give a lot away to the neighbors. For anyone that's considering a hydroponic garden, I can highly recommend this one Tower Garden Flex, with a light kit, if you have room to use it indoors.

Like everything else -- there is money math. And specialty niches.

Thing that concerns me for you -- is water?

Like you note, hydro changes the game. We put in some HUGE Solar for a hydro lettuce site, up near Wichita Falls. Array was big enough to park a full semi and trailer under.

Water up there was artesian -- right from the ground. Dunno if they used that or had a deep well.
 
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Like everything else -- there is money math. And specialty niches.

Thing that concerns me for you -- is water?

Like you note, hydro changes the game. We put in some HUGE Solar for a hydro lettuce site, up near Wichita Falls. Array was big enough to park a full semi and trailer under.

Water up there was artesian -- right from the ground. Dunno if they used that or had a deep well.
It seems like hydro is a great way for leafy greens. If you have space, which we do, you can grow indoors and avoid many of the pests and leaf nibblers too. We have well water and a whole house water treatment system, so our pH is pretty near neutral. The hydro likes between 5.5 and 6.5, so we add just a small amount of acid when we make up our 5-gallon mix of water/nutrients.

For the outdoor garden, when I get it built, I might try to do some rainwater capture from our shop building, because it's close to the proposed garden. I'll do drip/micro irrigation.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #34  
It seems like hydro is a great way for leafy greens. If you have space, which we do, you can grow indoors and avoid many of the pests and leaf nibblers too. We have well water and a whole house water treatment system, so our pH is pretty near neutral. The hydro likes between 5.5 and 6.5, so we add just a small amount of acid when we make up our 5-gallon mix of water/nutrients.

For the outdoor garden, when I get it built, I might try to do some rainwater capture from our shop building, because it's close to the proposed garden. I'll do drip/micro irrigation.

Found the place.


They just use loonnngggg horizontal (slight slope) pvc pipe that has holes drilled in the top side to drop plants into.

We (kids and school) have talked about mixing into fish ponds. Might be a good mix with Catfish? Some big Catfish pond / places in East Texas. Dunno how that mixes into Veggie / Vegan ratings. I like crayfish (to play, pets, not food).
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #35  
Found the place.


They just use loonnngggg horizontal (slight slope) pvc pipe that has holes drilled in the top side to drop plants into.

We (kids and school) have talked about mixing into fish ponds. Might be a good mix with Catfish? Some big Catfish pond / places in East Texas. Dunno how that mixes into Veggie / Vegan ratings. I like crayfish (to play, pets, not food).
When we were first looking at hydroponics, I didn't realize there were different types of systems. Ours is an Ebb and Flow, where a pump comes on periodically to cascade water through the tower. There are different settings for indoor/outdoor that adjusts the pump on/off cycle. It's a really simple system. We just keep a spare pump as a backup.

The wife is trying some Chinese eggplants and some other non-leafy type plants, but those are still in the growing phase.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #36  
The owner of the company where I used to work got caught using off road diesel in his tractor trailers. Heavy fines, court costs etc, never did it again.
Ya, that's the big catch. Authorities seldom even look at grocery-getters and county cadillac's, instead focusing on volume users.
Back when off-road diesel was the big talk, I heard of the DOT checking at farm auctions, but never heard anything except rumors.
reference: fine-for-using-off-road-diesel-amount-penalties-law
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #37  
Once I finally retire, hopefully after this year, I want to dive into gardening. But just a few miles from my retirement place, is a produce stand. I stopped in the other day and bought 6 tomatoes, some okra and a couple red onions. It cost me $4. I'm pretty sure I can't grow them for that, once you add my time and material. The supermarket would probably be 3x that price.

Like most hobbies, I expect gardening will be a labor of love. I think I'm fooling myself if I'm expecting to save money.
It is possible to save money if you go into bulk gardening, canning, and freezing. For just weekly fresh produce, no.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #38  
The owner of the company where I used to work got caught using off road diesel in his tractor trailers. Heavy fines, court costs etc, never did it again.
i imagine checking for off road diesel is more common on commercial vehicles.
I can't imagine a cop bothering to check a light duty truck for the color of the fuel during a routine stop unless they have reasonable cause to suspect.
 
/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #39  
In response to the title of this thread, I think every project I've ever tackled has ended up being one of those projects.
 
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/ Have you ever had one of those projects? #40  
the deer at my place nipped the flower buds off all my tulips, then spit them out because they are bitter. But, being deer, they had to try every one of the buds. They will do the same ting to pumpkins. Break one, and not like it then break the whole patch trying to find one they like.
Deer are weird that way. We planted many deer "resistant" things. They will still bite into that particular plant you bought, dug a hole for and filled with store bought soil, and spit it out. :)
 
 
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