"00" starting problem

[Bobvt]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Ain't no glow plug in the 00 series. They are direct inject. I understand there is a feul "warmer" (my term) but these engines do not have the typical manifold glowplug. Sounds like the solenoid to me, especially if you can jump it straight to the starter. BobG in VA )</font>

There is a glow plug. Look at the intake manifold. It is right in the middle. There is no mention of it in the manual (but it is in the wiring diagram). It appears to be temperature sensitive. In cold weather, when you turn the key, the red light next to the key comes on, signilaing the glow plug is activated. After 20 to 30 seconds, the light goes out - plug stops glowing. If you listen, you can hear the plug switch off.

Bob

 

[rvaitor]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

I've got a 6000 - it's not turning over at all - will start by 'jumping' the starter/solinoid, but don't seem to be getting power to the starter/solinoind when I turn the key. Lights and everything are coming on.

wiring diagram does show heater plug circuit off the Timer Relay.

Thanks

 

[rvaitor]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

Also, was working fine, but the previous owner must have 'jumped' a few times because I can see where the connections are worn. I just installed another rear lamp on the fender - can't believe this would have anything to do with it.

Any way to check a solinoid on the tractor or do you need to remove it and take it to someone?

 

[George2615]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

Did you check all your safety switches? Seat sw.,Neutral sw., Clutch sw., etc. You may have a switch that sticks. They are usually wired in series so that all switches must be made in order to supply voltage to the starter solenoid. If it runs after jumping the starter, it seems to me that one of the switches may be stuck or bad since jumping the starter bypasses them. Also, if the starter cranks by jumping the solenoid, then that's probably O.K.

 

[Bobvt]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

Had exactly the same problem a couple of weeks ago (actual on and off for over a month). See "6500 Starting Problem" post from last week. It turns out it was in the pto "safety switch". Try fiddling with it - make sure the screw adjustment is turned out far enough.

Bob

 

[rvaitor]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Had exactly the same problem a couple of weeks ago (actual on and off for over a month). See "6500 Starting Problem" post from last week. It turns out it was in the pto "safety switch". Try fiddling with it - make sure the screw adjustment is turned out far enough.

Bob )</font>

Well, that(safety switch) is what I was thinking. I'll go through those tomorrow and see what happens.

Thanks

 

[BobG_in_VA]

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Don't mean to be disagreeable, but part # 005558187 R1 is not a "glow" plug such as is found in indirect injection diesel engine manifolds. It is called a "heater for air intake for cold starting". Indirect inject Glow plugs actually heat the fuel AND air mixture and actually look somewhat like a sparkplug with a different type electrode. As such, the Mahindra heater heats the air in the intake as the injection of the fuel is directly into the cylinder. Its the difference between direct and indirect inject engines. BobG in VA

 

[Bobvt]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

Bob,

I'm sorry I misspoke. It is technically an "intake manifold heater", which are quite common on diesel tractors. (I'm pretty sure that a couple of the manuals for tractors I owned in the past did refer to them as glow plugs. It may have been for ones where the air in the manifold was flame heated.)

Bob

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

Back to the issue at hand: The only other thing about the "00" series (4wd) shuttle shift is if the shuttle is in the forward or the reverse gear it will do as you have described: Nothing when you turn the key. As you know when you put the shuttle in the neutral position, the unit normally will start. I wonder if there is an adjustment down near the transmission where the shuttle goes in that need attention??? Try turning the key to "start" and moving the shuttle back and forth from reverse to forward and see if you get any sort of connectivity. Also check your PTO levers, and put them both in the off postion. (I'm sure you've tried these simple things but for the sake of trying everything, I thought I'd mention it. ) Let us know how it is coming. BobG in VA

 

[rvaitor]

Re: \"00\" starting problem

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Back to the issue at hand: The only other thing about the "00" series (4wd) shuttle shift is if the shuttle is in the forward or the reverse gear it will do as you have described: Nothing when you turn the key. As you know when you put the shuttle in the neutral position, the unit normally will start. I wonder if there is an adjustment down near the transmission where the shuttle goes in that need attention??? Try turning the key to "start" and moving the shuttle back and forth from reverse to forward and see if you get any sort of connectivity. Also check your PTO levers, and put them both in the off postion. (I'm sure you've tried these simple things but for the sake of trying everything, I thought I'd mention it. ) Let us know how it is coming. BobG in VA )</font>

It official - I've bonded with my tractor. I installed an additional rear light and in the process of tugging on wires to make a connection I pulled the neutral safety switch connector apart under the right side under the seat. In this process checked all the circuits to all the switches including the starter switch in which the safety circuit was dead. My dealer friend indicated this is not uncommon for brush to pull this connection apart as well. It is basically in front of the differential on the right side under the foot area.