1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long...

   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #51  
my 13yr old trucks are doing fine right now.. plan on trying to get at least 20-23 out of them...
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #52  
I am an exception as many others. I have said for years why do we need trucks with 390HP or 500 hp just in a normal full size truck. What happen to the engines like the ford 300. Would do pretty good on gas and could still tow, yea not at 75mph on the interstate but its a truck!

I still would like to see trucks with lower horsepower and get better MPG yet still be able to handle modest loads, say 5-7k in a half ton for tow rating. They can still make the race luxury trucks that make crazy HP and can tow 10k lbs in a half ton frame for the guys with little man syndrome as well as the city guys who need to feel "manly" as well as working folks who need them to work (although the ones needing more capacity or power could step up to 3/4 ton)

I have several trucks neither are newer than 20 years. Still do the job i need them for, just slower.

For as little as i tow in a year with my 1/2 ton i cant see getting a newer one. I still get 8mpg towing about a 5000lb load behind it, which is not that far off from a late 90s f150 loaded the same. I have not moved the truck in about a year, so it makes no sense to spend 10K on a used truck right now.
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #53  
I am an exception as many others. I have said for years why do we need trucks with 390HP or 500 hp just in a normal full size truck. What happen to the engines like the ford 300. Would do pretty good on gas and could still tow, yea not at 75mph on the interstate but its a truck!

I still would like to see trucks with lower horsepower and get better MPG yet still be able to handle modest loads, say 5-7k in a half ton for tow rating. They can still make the race luxury trucks that make crazy HP and can tow 10k lbs in a half ton frame for the guys with little man syndrome as well as the city guys who need to feel "manly" as well as working folks who need them to work (although the ones needing more capacity or power could step up to 3/4 ton)

I have several trucks neither are newer than 20 years. Still do the job i need them for, just slower.

For as little as i tow in a year with my 1/2 ton i cant see getting a newer one. I still get 8mpg towing about a 5000lb load behind it, which is not that far off from a late 90s f150 loaded the same. I have not moved the truck in about a year, so it makes no sense to spend 10K on a used truck right now.
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If it requires 300HP to overcome air drag, rolling friction and raise the gross weight of the rig at 55 mph. Then that is the amount Of energy required no matter if the engine can make 300 or 500 max HP. There just isn't the spread or difference a small vs a large motor uses in fuel that there used to be. Also Looking at the Duramax since it's introduction. There has been an increase in HP with little to no change in displacemen. The extra power is just more lbs of air per minute via higher manifold pressure. With the corrisponding increase in fuel delivery. This is a topic where it's too easy to compare apples to oranges.
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #54  
Just thinking of 400+ HP pickups and most trailers under 10,000 lbs and all under 26,000 lbs or so. How did highway semi truck and trailers with 40ton of cargo ever make it cross country and two mountain ranges with a 318 Detroit being a "big" engine?
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #55  
Just thinking of 400+ HP pickups and most trailers under 10,000 lbs and all under 26,000 lbs or so. How did highway semi truck and trailers with 40ton of cargo ever make it cross country and two mountain ranges with a 318 Detroit being a "big" engine?

Your 318 is still in the 1000 ftlb range torque wise I would guess. That is how it moved the load. I only had to work on 1 318 and it got rebuilt regularly at about 200,000 miles where the rest of the higher powered detroits were 300,00 to 350,000 miles. The Macks and Cummins engines at 350HP+ were 700,000 to 1,000,000 mile engines. And generally the bigger more efficient engines got better mileage when worked that the smaller ones did. CJ
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #56  
Because we are generally in the minority. In the US, HP sells.

Look at the posts from Renze; in Europe, he is talking small motors with 150HP, that get good mileage. Would never fly here in the States. Works well over there though.

In general, most people do not "need" 390 or 500hp. They "want" it...

My '01 Dodge is stock except BHAF and 4" exhaust. It was only specced at 235hp. It pulls my 7000lb 5th wheel just fine.

I am an exception as many others. I have said for years why do we need trucks with 390HP or 500 hp just in a normal full size truck. What happen to the engines like the ford 300. Would do pretty good on gas and could still tow, yea not at 75mph on the interstate but its a truck!
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #57  
another issue is that diesels just aren't politically correct. i don't care if you can produce reams of paper stating that they are better than gas in every way, there is a large segment of the population in this country that will not, in their lifetime, believe that diesels are good for the planet.
Yes, big issue is public acceptance, despite all facts. It had to do with Oldsmobile 88 and Chevy 6.2, both with a low compression gas engine crank and rods, just because of 70's oil crisis policy, giving it a false start. We in Europe had diesel cars from Peugeot and Mercedes, mostly developed to be a taxi engine, which were 1,000,000km engines.... like a big rig. Just not fast, they were craving for turbo breath in the late 50's because old IDI engines had too much injection retardation at high speeds, so they couldnt get the power by rev'ing it high... ;)

lastly, you assume that the buying public would accept a 200hp diesel. in my world vehicles aren't sold, they are marketed.
Yes, who was that Nascar driver that said "Torque wins races on sunday, but horspower sells cars on Monday" ?? About two months ago there was a BMW with a loud pipe next to me at the traffic lights. I left him with my 140hp 2.5TDI in a big fat smokecloud (EGR valve sticks when i drive too slow for too long) because mine has a wider powerband, it redlines at 4500 but at 4000rpm it starts to drop power... But the 300Nm at 1900rpm is just sweet...

Look at the posts from Renze; in Europe, he is talking small motors with 150HP, that get good mileage. Would never fly here in the States. Works well over there though.
150hp motors arent fuel efficient in 3 ton vehicles... manufacturers reduce the gearing to make them able to come along with the rest of traffic, which makes them high revving engines. You need to reduce RPM to reduce engine friction, and giving it more time for each cylinder to take a deep breath (thats what older atmospheric engines got their max torque from: at that RPM the cylinder fill rate was best, even though fuel injection rate was linear with the rpm)

In a half ton pickup truck, the 150hp 2.5 liter with the 4.11 gears it would require, just wouldnt cut it. In a Ranger it would be a fine engine if it had the torque to pull tall gears.


In general, most people do not "need" 390 or 500hp. They "want" it...

My '01 Dodge is stock except BHAF and 4" exhaust. It was only specced at 235hp. It pulls my 7000lb 5th wheel just fine.
The Cummins 6.7 is now putting out 360hp ?? Then its 4.5 four banger sibling would do 240hp, with driveability at normal driving (from low end torque) comparable to a 350hp gasser. It just wouldnt win a drag race, but thats not what a truck is for anyways....

Mercedes sells 5.1 liter four bangers in their 7.5 to 12 ton distribution truck range, with up to 230hp... That is heavy duty, so max 2200rpm and not 3200 or 3500 like Cummins/Ram...
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #58  
This was from 2010: "The 4.5-liter V-8 is fully developed and ready, said Mark Cieslak, GMC full-size truck chief engineer. If we decided to offer it, we could launch it in a heartbeat." It was shelved after GM went belly up. It could go anywhere the 5.3 V8 could go with 25% better MPG.

GM Ponders Reviving 4.5-liter Duramax V-8 Diesel - PickupTrucks.com News

The 4.5 as designed had 310 HP and 520 footpounds of torque. I had a 94 GMC 1/2 ton 2WD with the 6.5 and auto transmission. The 6.5 had 215 Hp and 440 ft lb of torque. I hope it comes out. I would like to have a Yukon 4WD with the diesel.
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #59  
I must have lucked up on my 2011 f150 v8. I have 39000 miles on it and it has averaged 20.6 mpg the whole time. I have never driven it on the interstate but on 2 lane roads in rolling hills. i drive between 55 and 60 mph. I thought everyone was getting about the same and couldnt figure why anyone would take the eco boost over the v8.
 
   / 1/2 ton diesel anyone? looks like it might be a reality before long... #60  
This was from 2010: "The 4.5-liter V-8 is fully developed and ready, said Mark Cieslak, GMC full-size truck chief engineer. If we decided to offer it, we could launch it in a heartbeat." It was shelved after GM went belly up. It could go anywhere the 5.3 V8 could go with 25% better MPG.

GM Ponders Reviving 4.5-liter Duramax V-8 Diesel - PickupTrucks.com News

The 4.5 as designed had 310 HP and 520 footpounds of torque. I had a 94 GMC 1/2 ton 2WD with the 6.5 and auto transmission. The 6.5 had 215 Hp and 440 ft lb of torque. I hope it comes out. I would like to have a Yukon 4WD with the diesel.

See, this would be a winner to me and I am the last guy in the world to own a GM anything. Maybe bump the HP to 350 but 310 would do. The torque is where its at.

Just does not make any sense if they have ti ready to go for 2 years and have spent all that money on R&D that they would not bring it to market?:confused2: I know GM had its issues with money but to shelve it after all the time and money was spent seems crazy to me.:confused: They need to do something quick with it or it will be a fossil quick and not be able to meet the next round of emmisons coming up in 3 years.

Chris
 

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