1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor?

   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #21  
There is also the stress factor of the driver to consider on a trip of this length. If you are not acustomed to pulling a heavily loaded trailer, this could be a very loooong trip. It does help if you are acustomed to doing a lot of driving anyway. I always urge people to go on the side of caution, go slow and take it very easy. I don't run east, but I have heard of jurisdictions where the speed limit for such setups is posted at 45 MPH. How strictly they enforce them, I don't know. Unless you are an experienced puller, most modern vehicles can pull well beyond the drivers ability to control in emergency situations. Good Luck, and have a good day. Don
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #22  
When I took delivery of my tractor w/fel and BH it weighed in at around 6000#. The trailer I borrowed, dual axle 18'(?) roll back weighed about another 2000#. All this behind a 2001 Dodge 1500 Ext Cab 4x4, tow package without brake control, so no brake activation on the trailer. I only had to go 20 miles through the foothills to get it home. Worst ride I've ever tried!!! Since that day, my transmission is not the same...

Be safe and follow the others advice,
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #23  
That was quite a load DFW. Glad you made it.

The white knuckle factor hasn't been talked about much. Even if you are within ratings but feel you need two hands on the wheel, feel you need to constantly watch your gauges for fear of overheating, feel you can't drive with traffic, etc. your tow will not be pleasant, you're a distracted driver, and you will be fatigued at the end. Who wants that?

That is the overloaded driver scenario and can be just as unsafe as the overloaded truck. Having an overly adequate tow vehicle will go a long ways towards a pleasant tow.

I don't think that the tow vehicle's brakes has anything to do with GCWR. Cooling and performance are what drive that rating as far as I can tell. Good gauges and a little experience will let you know right away if you have too much combined weight.

I stopped at a closed highway scale on Sunday and weighed right at 12920 combined without me in the seat. Each axle was within its ratings, each tire was good, the GVWR of the truck was good, and the trailer weight was within its GVWR. I needed a touch more tongue weight to be at 10% so I adjusted the load position on the return trip. The GCWR of my pickup is 12,500 so yes I am 4% over on that, but my gauges and performance tell me that everything is running well.

I recommend everybody get actual weights at an actual scale. The closed DOT weigh stations in my area leave the scales on and visible so that people like us can swing through and check their weights. It's not a CAT scale but it is very convenient.
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #24  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The white knuckle factor hasn't been talked about much. Even if you are within ratings but feel you need two hands on the wheel, feel you need to constantly watch your gauges for fear of overheating, feel you can't drive with traffic, etc. your tow will not be pleasant, you're a distracted driver, and you will be fatigued at the end. Who wants that? )</font>


Still, this scenario beats the driver with the same setup who is blissfully ignorant, completely at ease with the world, blithely running down the highway way past his margin of safety!

We've all seen them, I'm sure. They're usually pulling campers or 5th wheelers... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #25  
A couple weeks ago, I put my TC24DA on my 14x7 dual axle trailer, behind my 2005 5.8L F150 with trailer brakes for a few mile trip. There is no way I would do that for 500 miles and that isn't near the weight you're talking about. I had no trouble with control, but the truck just didn't have what it needed to really pull everything.

I'm a Ford man all the way, but in all fairness, I am almost positive my truck is sick. I've been really disappointed with its performance, but haven't felt like taking the time to argue the service manager to get anything done about it.
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #26  
I think your truck is sick if it couldn't tote that load. I routinely pull a dual axle 16'x7' car hauler with electric brakes behind my dodge 1500 5.9l or my yukon 5.3l I pull up to the trailers limit... no problems as long as I get the load ballanced and have toungue weight close.... 10 miles or 1000 miles.. if it is loaded right all you are doing is burning more gas and planning your stops a little differently for a safety factor..

Soundguy
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #27  
DFW: Check the tranny oil. If it smells burned, you really might want to consider changing the fluid and trading trucks asap. You MIGHT have just shortened the life of the tranny to about another 5,000 miles left before failure. A big tranny repair could easily run $1500-2000 and you would lose the truck for a week or more. Did you turn off the overdrive while doing this or run it hard at 4000RPM to get the job done. Higher RPM would have been a better choice. I only suggest trading the truck now because every time you haul, the problem will only get worse and the bad outcome will only come sooner. This situation will not get better. The truck is 6 years old and you are out of luck as far as factory help with repairs.
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #28  
The 2001 Chevrolet p/u I own probably wouldn't do it. The 1991 Chevrolet p/u I still own is rated at 7500 pound towing package from the factory. Problably one of the highest ratings Chevy had at that time for a 1/2 ton truck with a smallblock gas motor. Both are extended cabs with 8 foot beds. The 2001 has a slightly smaller motor but uses rpm's instead of brute strenght to pull a load. We bought the 1991 to pull a camper with, and it did a great job of it. Never pulled one in overdrive, due to GM's warnings about that.
David from jax
 
   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #29  
Dustin said:
I have a Ford F150, and I wanted some opinion on my plans of hauling a 6,000# tractor with it. Do you think the truck will not be able to handle the weight of the tractor? It's about a 500 mile trip. What do you think?

First, let me preface this post with my saying I'm not hellbent on going overboard on saftey. I just try to be SAFE. I've got too much to loose by NOT being safe. In all likelyhood, so do all of you.

Throughout this thread, and all the others that have touched upon this topic, I keep hearing "phrases" like, "Plan your stops", "Start slowing down earlier than you would if the truck was empty", ect.

What happens if someone else on the highway does something you didn't "plan on"? They might not know your "plans". A 1/2 ton truck just doesn't have the brake capacity for loads in excess of it's intended cargo. Trailer brakes, in most cases are intended to help slow their intended weight rating, but won't stop quickly in a panic by themselves. They rely on the trucks brakes to do the lions share of braking. Exceed the trailer brake rating and you'll wonder if the trailer even has brakes in most cases.

Most any truck will finally get a load up to speed. It might burn up the tranny. It might wear out the engine. It might do a dozen things. What it WILL DO, is NOT STOP SAFELY in an emergency.

Then let's go to the over-matched suspension components. Shocks, springs, ball joints, frames, ect, are barely enough WHEN THE TRUCK IS NEW. Throw 50,000 miles on a pair of now worn shocks and what happens when you have to swerve to miss a muffler laying in the road? How about that 4" deep chuckhole you didn't see until it was too late to move over? Can that over-matched AND SLIGHTLY WORN suspension handle it? Maybe...maybe not. Are you willing to take that risk? How about mom in the minivan with a load of kids going to soccer practice that's right next to you? Are you willing to bet THEIR lives? If you are, you don't need to be on the highway at all, MUCHLESS towing an overloaded trailer with and overloaded truck. (or even one loaded to with-in ounces of it's capacity)

Tires? SOME 1/2 ton trucks will have adaquate tires for a reasonable load. Most I've seen DON'T. A good many will have no more than typical passenger car tires. And most of the time, those tires AREN'T new. Anyone care to tell me how a worn tire has the same carrying capacity of a NEW one? What about when that worn tire hits that muffler we were talking about earlier? BOOM! And now you have an undersized truck with a blown tire, pulling an overloaded (or at least loaded to the absolute max) trailer at highway speeds. Even an expert driver won't generally fare well in that scenario.

It's not about being able to tow a load 99.9% of the time without mishap. It's not about "can I get away with it?" It's about the chance your cutting corners might kill someone else.

The DOT is slowly beginning to crack down on commercial and NON commercial vehicles towing trailers. It's taking time. Eventually they'll limit or prohibit unsafe or marginally safe towing with light duty trucks. There's a reason why the DOT (on federal AND state levels) are doing such. And it ISN'T about you wearing out your transmission.

It's about deadly highway accidents.

IT ISN'T SAFE.

Hire someone with a truck/trailer that's big enough, or even a wrecker service with a rollback. Don't fall for the "well, it's only this one time" excuse. It only takes one fatal accident to up-end YOUR life or the life you take.
 
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   / 1/2 Ton Pickup can haul tractor? #30  
I'm a member of the Turbo Diesel Register and someone posted a story on there a couple of years ago about towing an overloaded trailer. If my memory serves me right, it was a F350 with an overloaded gooseneck trailer that lost control, hit a car and killed the driver. The family sued the driver of the F350 for 1.1 million and he also faced jail time because he was overloaded.
 

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