10/2 wire question

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After my statement about getting the boot...my former landlord came by today told me that they decieded to renovate to get rid ot the tenants who live above us,he told us they were always at least two weeks late on paying their rent...where we always paid on the 1st of each month for the last two years....today he helped us get an end unit townhouse with a garage...we move in the 1st of May,from now on I'll learn to keep my big mouth shut,yes I'll be able to keep both my tractors,we had a look at it today,and it's much cheaper rent wise and has 3 bedrooms,I didn't bother to ask about the electrical panel whether it had a 20 amp outlet for my Lincoln 110 volt,this thing has gotten me into trouble since I got it,I may just sell the darn thing for less than I paid and keep my Acc/Ox set,anyhow guys I'm relieved of all the stress,my landlord told us we were the best tenants he's had and he knew the house needed renovating, told us he had no choice as the people upstairs refused to move,kind of funny how things work out, but thats life....take care all you guys....Ampa :)
 
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You metiond in one of your earlier post that you were in Canada. Where are you Ampa? I'm an electrician (with interprovincial red seal) by trade. Right now I'm in Alberta but this summer heading for Newfoundland. Most of my powere tools are there already, but I will be taking my hand tools with my as aI drive east. Maybe I can convince the wife to take a side trip. Most twon houses have the panel fairly close to the garage. A couple of hours and you can have your Lincoln running properly and safely.


BTW-Interprovincial for our southern neighbors means I'm legal to work anywhere in Canada.
 
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I really appreciate your offer,I won't be moving into this townhouse till the end of this month,I'm located in Hamilton Ontario which if my directions are correct and based in miles not Klms(old school for me) would be approx 30 miles west of the big city of Toronto Ontario, I'm quite sure you would be travelling the 401 heading East,at least this is the route I took to Nova Scotia about 15 years ago,the closest would be the highway 6 Guelph/Hamilton cut off and then I'd be located way across town in the far east end of the city,quite a jog for the wife,thanks alot for your interest,when I get settled in I'll be sure to let everyone on here know how I make out,till then enjoy your trip and take care....Ampa :)
 
   / 10/2 wire question #65  
I really appreciate your offer,I won't be moving into this townhouse till the end of this month,I'm located in Hamilton Ontario which if my directions are correct and based in miles not Klms(old school for me) would be approx 30 miles west of the big city of Toronto Ontario, I'm quite sure you would be travelling the 401 heading East,at least this is the route I took to Nova Scotia about 15 years ago,the closest would be the highway 6 Guelph/Hamilton cut off and then I'd be located way across town in the far east end of the city,quite a jog for the wife,thanks alot for your interest,when I get settled in I'll be sure to let everyone on here know how I make out,till then enjoy your trip and take care....Ampa :)

Since I've never driven across Canada I want to take my time. This is just an excuse to see southern Ontario. The move won't be until summer so hold on to that welder and all your plugs and boxes. They may come in handy when you do move. Judging by the map I will be coming from Sudbury on the 400 then down to the 6 into the west side of Hamilton. A couple hours and you will be set, and we can be back on our way.

Besides we have a couople in Hamilton we haven't seen in a few years. Another good reason to stop by...
 
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Thanks AlbertaDan,I really appreciate your interest,your best route to get to where I'll be the end of this month (townhouse) is to travel the 401 west stay on it,(it's a long drive) till you see the(green colored) advanced sign for the highway 6 Hamilton/Guelph cut off, then turn left at the stop lights onto # 6 towards Hamilton ,you'll see a (Tim Hortons) on the left side of #6, this will bring you into the west end of Hamilton,I'll give you my email address when the time comes, most of my friends are down eastners,my ladys from Newbrunswick,and I play bass guitar for a Newfoundlander(his band) that I've know since my early 20's,although we're both now on government secureity me bein' a bit older than him,anyhow lookin' forward to meeting both you and the wife,I couldn't believe when you mentioned makin' the wife take a jog out of your way,but knowing a couple you haven't seen for a while does make it worthwhile,would they be in the west end of the city? or in the east end ?, where I'll be at the end of this month,anyhow yes I'll keep all the plugs and boxes and the new little Lincoln 110 volt,I'll be real busy unpacking making shelves for all my toys(I have plenty of stuff to put away, so I won't be doin' much of anything till the summer anyhow,Thanks ever so much, keep in touch, till then take care....Ampa :thumbsup:
 
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this thread had been beaten to death enough already, but i want to add a few things. i'll say up front that i'm not an electrician, but last year i remodeled a small garage into a workshop, and did all of the work myself. i did a lot of research and found out a few things i did not know, and i suspect some of the posters here do not either:

1. if a welder is tripping a circuit with 14/2 wire and a 15a breaker, even if you only bumped the breaker up to 20a, it might work without burning the house down. the moment the draw is over 15a, the breaker tripped, but the wire did not catch the house on fire. this is because it takes a certain amount of time for that wire to be overloaded to the point of failure. this effect is even allowed for somewhere in the code. i've read about a case where a circuit for a welder used a 50a breaker, but only #10 wire. this is acceptable because the duty cycle of the welder will not allow sustained current for long enough to cause a fire. i was also told this breaker oversizing is common in hvac systems with high startup draws but low sustained draws. i've only heard about this with 240v circuits, so i do not know if this is acceptable by code with a 120v circuit. i believe it also requires signage on the receptacle noting the duty cycle/usage. this is certainly a case for an electrician, but i wanted to make this point.

2. cable for extension cords is labeled with the total number of conductors, so 10/3 is going to have 3 conductors, while 10/3 nm cable will have 4 conductors. if you read the fine print, nm cable will often be listed as 10/3 with ground. that's the 4th conductor. if you are making an extension cord for a 120/240v use (newer generator hookup, etc) you will need a xx/4 (insert your own cable size) cord.

3. someone mentioned replacing the wire with 10/3 so there was a neutral. unless the appliance uses BOTH 120v and 240v, your circuit will have 3 conductors only. a 120v will have a separate hot, neutral, and ground. if you have a 240v only circuit (like most stick welders) you tend to think of it as two hots and a ground. technically, you have two hots, two neutrals, and a ground. many people don't think about it, but these circuits need neutrals to complete the circuit. they DO NOT conduct electricity through the ground unless there is a fault condition. each of the hot wires also acts as a neutral. when one hot lead is delivering current, the opposite hot is acting as the neutral. when the current cycles, the two hot wires reverse roles.
 

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