10' mower pull type or semi-mount?

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Pros/Cons of each from experienced users only of 10' or larger mowers. Want to jump from 8' to 10'

Seems like semi mount would be more compact (shorter), but would swing on turns rather than turn with tractor. For generally smaller tighter areas, which do you like better.
 
/ 10' mower pull type or semi-mount? #2  
I have an 8' rhino 3 pt and 15' JD batwing pull type. As you are probably aware, the pull type just can't make near as sharp as turns and more trouble to back up, even if it has CV type u-joints. If you watch a pull type turn, it doesn't seem to bad. If your sitting in the cab and doing the turn, it seems to take forever. Wear on the pto shaft and u joints is probably higher with pull type.
You mentioned semi-mounted. I assume you mean 3 pt with hydraulic lift on the rear mower wheels. Or do you mean all 3 pt lift? If you have the lift capability and enough front end weight, I would go with the semi-mounted. A big semi-mounted mower could "wag the dog" if the tractor is not big enough. Mid sized and larger utility tractor should be enough. In tight areas, frequent turns or backing up, the semi-mount wins everytime. My 8' 3 pt will beat the 15' pull type batwing in those conditions everyday.

In my area, it is really rare to see a 3 pt 10' mower. Usually 8' 3 pt or 15' batwings. I can see the usefulness of a 10' 3p but my guess is the cost is probably getting near the price of more common 15' batwing and the batwing gives 50% more coverage, less scalping and follows the contour better.
 
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The semi mount just uses the 2 bottom links on the 3 pt hitch and has a hydraulic lift for the tail wheels. The tractor just tows it along, but can't lift it.

Tractor would be my M-7040 (70HP/63PTO)

I found a 10' bush hog 2510 pull type. It appears the pull frame could be removed and it would become a semi-mount, which is what I'd prefer. Something would have to be done with the driveshaft, though. The price is reasonable and the seller is fairly close by.

Trying to decide if it's worth it.
 
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I use a 10' 3pt and a 15' tow batwing.

as has been said.. have to watch the angles on the drive shaft on the pull type.

on a 3pt you can actually lift the unit.. ok if you need to back over a ditch or if you load backwards on a trailer.. just watch it if you get bouncing. a semi mount will turn the same as a 3pt.. IE.. when yuo turn the mower swings in an arc.. so watch out about mowing near a fence line and then making a sharp turn.

both have their uses... takes a lil more planning on backing a tow type.. yet you can corner a lil better .. minding the driveshafts.. etc..

soundguy
 
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The semi mount just uses the 2 bottom links on the 3 pt hitch and has a hydraulic lift for the tail wheels. The tractor just tows it along, but can't lift it.

Tractor would be my M-7040 (70HP/63PTO)

I found a 10' bush hog 2510 pull type. It appears the pull frame could be removed and it would become a semi-mount, which is what I'd prefer. Something would have to be done with the driveshaft, though. The price is reasonable and the seller is fairly close by.

Trying to decide if it's worth it.

You can probably buy the parts to make it 2pt lift but the price could be prohibitive. Also, I have reservations if the back wheels on the mower are the right type. A semi-mount needs to have the rear wheels pivoting freely like a 3pt unit. A pull type will have fixed rear wheels and the wheels would also have to be changed to make it a semi-mount. It may not be cost effective to switch the pull type to semi-mount. Drive shaft is probably in the $300-400 dollar range.
 
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or more if it's green.. I about fainted when I prices the 3 drive shafts for my batwing.. together they cost mor ethan I paid for the used batwing!!

soundguy
 
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or more if it's green.. I about fainted when I prices the 3 drive shafts for my batwing.. together they cost mor ethan I paid for the used batwing!!

soundguy

I was thinking aftermarket rather than JD, but price still may be too low. I recently was going to have a pto shaft repaired with new U joints from Case-IH. It was a cat I pto shaft and not heavy duty. The shaft was short one but over $200 from Case-IH. Repair would have been over $100. I had an existing short shaft, made a minor modification to the snowblower and used it. I bought the shaft new on an auction for $25 a few years ago.
 
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Good points. Didn't think about the back wheel differences. They both looked the same to me.

Adding two pieces of 1/4" 2x2 angle to each rear wheel (one on each side of the "fork" going up the the shaft it mounts to) would do wonders to "lock" swiveling wheels into position.

From the Messicks site:
Parts for Bush Hog 2510 Rotary Cutter
BushHog 2510 semi mount rear wheel kit (swiveling) parts diagrams
BushHog 2510 tow behind wheel kit (fixed wheels) parts diagrams

Looks like they are very similar. I would do it if I had a use lined up for it and the price was right.

Aaron Z
 
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I don't get 10' mowers. I get 8' mowers, you can transport them legally, and most of them are 3pt to get places.
But if you can pull a 10' mower, you can pull a 15' batwing and do 50% more work and still be legal to transport.

Big advantage of a 15' batwing is when turning, you can turn back on yourself. There's no wasted motion at the end of a long run, you turn and the inside edge matches right up with your old edge coming out. Much much quicker to mow with. Your 7040 will pull it (until the grass gets really tall and thick, then you're hosed). I pull mine with a TN75

The only real part that you can't get with a pull mower is the inside of a corner (where two fences meet perpendicular) You always miss a little there, you just can't back it into that corner really nice. You can get close, but not quite.

Dragging the edge over a hillside is great, you can do 5' down that you normally couldn't do. (the wing goes over the edge)

Pull types put a lot less dust into you. The mower blades are further behind you so it doesn't kick up as much stuff right onto the tractor.
 
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I use a JD MX 10, slewing, semi mount in my orchard. I like the control it affords for both height and slewing, while mowing. Took me a while to get use to it, but I can mow in rows down my orchard and get close to the trees without hitting them or leaving strips of grass between them. Pulling it with a Hesston 100 90 DT, so PLENTY of hp.

Also, backing up with the mower is a lot more precise than a pull-behind would be. Maintenance is not to hard, even replacing gearbox spindles is doable by a person with moderate mechanic's skills. As for storage, I put it in a wood shed bay, sideways (see picture, that is it in the middle bay of the wood shed). I lift it using chains on the FEL. I can lift it the long way and set it down on this raised floor. For longer distance transport, I would use a snow mobile trailer, loading the mower the same way, ie lengthwise. Truth is, the mower has never left the property since I bought it 10 years ago.

I have looked at bat wings, but for mowing an orchard, there is just too much going on at once with those. Job number one is getting the grass cut without hurting the trees...... Job number 2 is getting it done some time this year!

Now a slewing flail mower would be sweet!. The problem is, neither the JD MX 10 or a slewing 10' flail are cheap, at all!
 

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/ 10' mower pull type or semi-mount? #13  
I use a Woods 121 10' and a Woods DS1260 10'6" that I use with my Case CX80, 80HP. The 121 is a 3-point and the DS1260 is a pull behind. I went with the pull behind due to it being heavy duty. I really like the maneuverability of the 2-point hitch, but there is a lot of stress encountered on turning in anything but fairly smooth terrain. I do however find the pull behind better mowing on steep inclines, along ponds and such.

My experience has been that with that size cutter on reasonably flat ground, I prefer a 3-point generally if your tractor will handle it then the 2-point and then the pull behind when limited by tractor size.
 
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On slope cutting, rule number one is to not overload your tractor........

Remember, implements do not have brakes............. and twd tractors do not have front brakes!

Remindes me of another reason I like a semi mount with rear wheel hydraulics..... If you hafta, you can set it down. dissconnect it and retrieve it later.

It decides to get all appoplectic on you, on a slope or super wet locations..... you can put it on the ground, FAST!

Between the lift and the rear wheels hydraulic, the MX 10 can get a couple feet up off the ground, PDQ, too.
 
 

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