$100/barrel oil on the horizon

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   / $100/barrel oil on the horizon #31  
unreconstructed said:
It seems to me there will be some engineer who will figure out a 40 MPG power plant for our F350s, 3500s and so on. Why cannot we think like that instead of relegating our thinking to the pathetic European model?
When I went shopping for a full sized pickup that could tow a 10,000 lb trailer, I was faced with a stark choice. Either buy a seriously gas guzzling V8 or pony up the big dollars for a big diesel. Since I tow only occasionally, neither option made any sense, but that is all that I had to choose from.

I found it particularly upsetting that Dodge did not offer their 2500 with the 2.7 liter diesel that they were putting in the Jeep Liberties and the Dodge Sprinter commerical vans. You went the full Cummins route or you didn't get a diesel. A 2500 with the small diesel would have been absolutely perfect for me. You don't have to have a powerful engine to tow. You just need the appropriate gears.

The US car makers don't seem to get it. I don't know why
 
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SnowRidge said:
The US car makers don't seem to get it. I don't know why

Simply because you are the only one asking for a 2.7 diesel in a full sized truck., IF thousands or hundreds of thousands asked the same, it would b done. I doubt the big 3 are interested investing a lot to get this done for a few hundred, if this many, in sales any given year,
 
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I have wondered about the gears myself. Years ago I worked at a ready mix/aggregate outfit. Our dump trucks did not have near the power plants that our pickup trucks have now. Of course, no one wants a pickup with a split axle or ten gears.
 
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LarryRB said:
Simply because you are the only one asking for a 2.7 diesel in a full sized truck., IF thousands or hundreds of thousands asked the same, it would b done. I doubt the big 3 are interested investing a lot to get this done for a few hundred, if this many, in sales any given year,
I think there would be a lot more sales than that. From the number of them I see around here, the Sprinter commerical van seems to be a resounding success. I think commercial businesses that only carry heavy loads in their pickups occasionally would jump on the product. I'm sure there would be other buyers as well.
 
   / $100/barrel oil on the horizon #35  
I can't wait for Mahindra to import the 4 cyl pickup. My bet is you better order early if you want to get one, I read in the Wall Street Journal that they already have over 400 dealers singed up to distribute them.
 
   / $100/barrel oil on the horizon #36  
A 2.7 diesel in a half ton! I waited five years for the half ton Ford diesel. They still don't have one. Dodge is supposed to be coming out with a half ton v 6 diesel, 270 horse, 25mpg. They should have done this five years ago.
 
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ihookem said:
A 2.7 diesel in a half ton! I waited five years for the half ton Ford diesel. They still don't have one. Dodge is supposed to be coming out with a half ton v 6 diesel, 270 horse, 25mpg. They should have done this five years ago.
No, in a 3/4 ton. :)

I just went to see what the Sprinter's GVWR was with the 2.7, but it looks like they have gone to a 154 HP 3.0 V6 Diesel. The newest model has a CGVWR of 18530 and a GVWR of 11030. I could have lived with numbers like that in a pickup in exchange for up to 10 more miles per gallon.

The Cummins is still the only diesel they list as an option.
 
   / $100/barrel oil on the horizon #38  
....who will figure out a 40 MPG power plant for our F350s, 3500s and so on. Why cannot we think like that instead of relegating our thinking to the pathetic European model? The thieving political class in Europe accounts for their historically high price of gasoline. Our thieving politcal class here in the US would love nothing more than to tax us into staying home and watching the boob tube instead of being out working on our places with our fuel consuming tractors and pickuptrucks.

There seems to be the feeling we should all be punished for enjoying our lives--time for the party to be over. I say b(*())_#. Let that amazing American ingenuity have its head. It may take a rise in oil prices to facilitate new
technology. That's OK. To allow our politicians to tax us into obliviion and lay waste to ExxonMobil et al because we are po'd at them for making money makes no sense to me.[/QUOTE]

That has to be the best and clearest statement on this whole topic I've read in many many posts at this and other internet forums, plus discussions with co-workers. Well said!!
 
   / $100/barrel oil on the horizon #39  
When I went shopping for a full sized pickup that could tow a 10,000 lb trailer, I was faced with a stark choice. Either buy a seriously gas guzzling V8 or pony up the big dollars for a big diesel. Since I tow only occasionally, neither option made any sense, but that is all that I had to choose from.

I found it particularly upsetting that Dodge did not offer their 2500 with the 2.7 liter diesel that they were putting in the Jeep Liberties and the Dodge Sprinter commerical vans. You went the full Cummins route or you didn't get a diesel. A 2500 with the small diesel would have been absolutely perfect for me. You don't have to have a powerful engine to tow. You just need the appropriate gears.

The US car makers don't seem to get it. I don't know why

A big part of it has to do with ridiculous emissions standards for vehicles under 8600lb GVW, if I remember correctly. In fact, thanks to the EPA all diesels are now or are going to be getting significantly less fuel mileage in the future. Of course diesel technology is "advancing" which means making them less "stinky" at the cost of mileage. Never the less eventually diesels in lighter trucks might soon happen. I'm sure they're working on it. Of course more diesel vehicles on the road will hurt those of us who already operate diesels, because demand for diesel will increase. Demand for gas will stay the same or drop, thereby dropping the price for that product.

I'm going to be looking for an inexpensive beater car on which I can get by with just liability insurance coverage, and gets 40+mpg. Not sure I'll be able to find one, but it'll save miles on the pickup, thereby allowing me to keep it virtually forever.

The fuel companies aren't making that big of a profit margin versus other companies. They move a lot of product, have a lot of cash flow, and happen to have plenty of profit.

For those wondering why new companies can't just come in and set up shop, it would take a long time to be profitable, what with the harsh environmental regulations they would have to make the new plants fall under. As the price of fuel continues to go up, there becomes more incentive for new companies to start making it or start making alternatives. We won't see real viable alternatives until the price goes up significantly higher. Just not enough people willing to switch technologies just yet, especially if those other technologies still have significant drawbacks and or lack of infrastructure to support them.

Remember the 90's when a bunch of refineries ended up closing? A big part of that was lack of profitability with the low (relatively) fuel prices combined with increased regulations limiting what upgrades and modernization could be done to the facilities. Chemical companies need a permit just to allow someone to sneeze these days (slight exaggeration).

(Hint: Environmental regs are a big part of why so much manufacturing has moved to China and elsewhere. Little or no environmental controls in these places which saves considerable money for companies combined with cheap labor. A win-win for these companies. The only way to fix that will be to disallow any product made in countries with more lax standards than ours or charge a massive tariff for it.)

There are many reasons/factors that go into the pricing of things. This post doesn't even remotely begin to scratch the surface of everything involved in the prices of things. I would look at micro and macro economics books as a good start though.
 
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