1533 vs 2538, closer than you think

   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #1  

matemike

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Brazoria, Texas
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New Holland T1510
Little background:
I live on 2.5 acres in flat SE Texas. My property has many palm trees, six pecan trees, two oak trees and a half acre is uncared for underbrush that I want to take back. I've been considering a 26 hp tractor for keeping our gardens in control, handling fallen limbs after storms, building up my burn piles and pushing them back together after burns. I'll also use the machine to bush hog a drainage retention area behind my property to keep the foliage from always growing and clogging the ditch and culverts. Neighbors further downstream keep their sections of the ditch in check and they seem to have less standing water, fewer poisonous critters, and overall more appealing landscape compared to what my section of the ditch looks like.

I've recently upped my wants to a 35 hp tractor after borrowing a friend's 2538. I put 25 hours on it in 5 days and I really put it through its paces taking back a 3000 sq ft garden that was lined with a 4 ft tall cinder block wall. I ended up moving 18 tons of concrete and grading all the dirt back down flat. What I discovered throughout the job is that no matter how big of a tractor you have, you're going to use it to its ability. When grading dirt I lost traction and bogged down a few times with the 2538 which is way more tractor than I ever thought I'd need. I'd have to raise the box blade a little and take smaller bites. So that experience is why I'm considering a bigger tractor than what my initial intent was of getting a 26 hp unit.

Based off what many experienced tractor owners say, the consensus is to get the heaviest tractor with the most loader lift capacity you can afford. For me it comes down to these two Mahindras, and the paper specs are almost a wash. Initial price is also a wash with the 1533 costing $500 more than the 2538. I would choose the 2538 but the threads about the 1500 series being more premier and a few more threads about 2538 problems have me leaning towards the 1533. The 1538 is considerably more expensive than the 2538 so it's off the list.

Down to the specs:

The 1533 unit weighs more by 34 pounds. That being said, the 2538 loader attachment outweighs the 1533 loader by 205 lbs. So in the most common configuration of having the loader attached the 2538 will weigh 4115 lbs and the 1533 will weigh 3944 lbs; a 171 lb advantage to the 2538. Is that all that much to even consider?

When it comes to horsepower, the 1533 is shy again of the 2538; 34.5 vs 37.4, 2.9 hp gain in the 2538. But referring back to my experience, I never lacked the HP, what I lacked was weight and traction.

The 1533's loader has a lift capacity of 1650 lbs and the 2538L has a lift capacity of 1634 lbs. Advantage of 26 lbs to the 1533. The 2538 loader has more crap hanging off it like the support legs and hydraulic lines; more stuff for branches to snag on and crevasses for dirt to hide in. But if I ever needed to replace a fitting or entire hose the 2538 loader would be a breeze to work on compared to the 1533 with all the hidden hydraulic lines.

The 1533 has a longer chassis than the 2538. While this results in the 1533 having a larger turning radius by 1.3 ft, I'm wondering if the loader capabilities will be less likely to lift the rear tires on the 1533 due to it's length?

All in all what I'm getting at is that the two machines are a wash as far as specs on paper. I know all too well it´s going to come down to seat feel and personal preference.

I didn't mind the side by side HST pedals of the 2538 during my 25 hrs of seat time, but sometimes when stopped and looking back at my boxblade placement I'd accidentally hit the fwd pedal when I meant to move in reverse. There's almost no way to make that error on the rocker pedal of the 1533. Just need to see if I like the rocker. It looks funky though. I've only test drove tractors with rockers and I didn't mind it, but have never truly worked with one.

The 1533 loader control is near the operators right knee whereas the 2538 loader control is a tiny bit of a reach. To each their own. The RPM throttle knob is also near the operators knee on the 1533 whereas it is on the dash of the 2538. That's where I think it should be.

The 1533 has some bells and whistles with the suspension seat, cup holders, retracting seat belt, valve stem protectors on the wheels, and overall refinement. It's the refinement of the Mitsubishi machine in the 1533 that has me leaning towards it. The 2538 is just a little more tractor for the money, but lacking in fit and finish. Neither has a terrible history, many many good reviews on both. I think there are just a couple more problematic reviews about the 2500 line than the 1500 line.

Just asking away here and getting all my thoughts out there to see if there's anything I'm missing or if anyone knows from experience which tractor they'd get for the same price and why.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #2  
If it was me it would boil down to what it felt like in the seat, moving around and general frame construction. I never really looked at the 15 series but I know the 2500 series frames are put together well. Like you, I looked at hydraulic lines and how much of a PITA it would be to replace.

My first tractor (owned, not operated) was a John Deere 2320 (24 horse) and it was a little beast! The HST pedals are side by side so I am use to that, but when I sold it and bought the 2555 HST the pedals are reversed from the JD tractor so there was a bit of a learning curve for me.

My father-in-law has a Kubota HST with the rocker. At first I did not care for it, but after using it for a while I got accustomed to it but I like the side by side pedals especially when doing loader work in tight spaces. At first you are extremely conscious of where the pedals are but over time it becomes second nature.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #3  
Little background:
I live on 2.5 acres in flat SE Texas. My property has many palm trees, six pecan trees, two oak trees and a half acre is uncared for underbrush that I want to take back. I've been considering a 26 hp tractor for keeping our gardens in control, handling fallen limbs after storms, building up my burn piles and pushing them back together after burns. I'll also use the machine to bush hog a drainage retention area behind my property to keep the foliage from always growing and clogging the ditch and culverts. Neighbors further downstream keep their sections of the ditch in check and they seem to have less standing water, fewer poisonous critters, and overall more appealing landscape compared to what my section of the ditch looks like.

I've recently upped my wants to a 35 hp tractor after borrowing a friend's 2538. I put 25 hours on it in 5 days and I really put it through its paces taking back a 3000 sq ft garden that was lined with a 4 ft tall cinder block wall. I ended up moving 18 tons of concrete and grading all the dirt back down flat. What I discovered throughout the job is that no matter how big of a tractor you have, you're going to use it to its ability. When grading dirt I lost traction and bogged down a few times with the 2538 which is way more tractor than I ever thought I'd need. I'd have to raise the box blade a little and take smaller bites. So that experience is why I'm considering a bigger tractor than what my initial intent was of getting a 26 hp unit.

Based off what many experienced tractor owners say, the consensus is to get the heaviest tractor with the most loader lift capacity you can afford. For me it comes down to these two Mahindras, and the paper specs are almost a wash. Initial price is also a wash with the 1533 costing $500 more than the 2538. I would choose the 2538 but the threads about the 1500 series being more premier and a few more threads about 2538 problems have me leaning towards the 1533. The 1538 is considerably more expensive than the 2538 so it's off the list.

Down to the specs:

The 1533 unit weighs more by 34 pounds. That being said, the 2538 loader attachment outweighs the 1533 loader by 205 lbs. So in the most common configuration of having the loader attached the 2538 will weigh 4115 lbs and the 1533 will weigh 3944 lbs; a 171 lb advantage to the 2538. Is that all that much to even consider?

When it comes to horsepower, the 1533 is shy again of the 2538; 34.5 vs 37.4, 2.9 hp gain in the 2538. But referring back to my experience, I never lacked the HP, what I lacked was weight and traction.

The 1533's loader has a lift capacity of 1650 lbs and the 2538L has a lift capacity of 1634 lbs. Advantage of 26 lbs to the 1533. The 2538 loader has more crap hanging off it like the support legs and hydraulic lines; more stuff for branches to snag on and crevasses for dirt to hide in. But if I ever needed to replace a fitting or entire hose the 2538 loader would be a breeze to work on compared to the 1533 with all the hidden hydraulic lines.

The 1533 has a longer chassis than the 2538. While this results in the 1533 having a larger turning radius by 1.3 ft, I'm wondering if the loader capabilities will be less likely to lift the rear tires on the 1533 due to it's length?

All in all what I'm getting at is that the two machines are a wash as far as specs on paper. I know all too well it´s going to come down to seat feel and personal preference.

I didn't mind the side by side HST pedals of the 2538 during my 25 hrs of seat time, but sometimes when stopped and looking back at my boxblade placement I'd accidentally hit the fwd pedal when I meant to move in reverse. There's almost no way to make that error on the rocker pedal of the 1533. Just need to see if I like the rocker. It looks funky though. I've only test drove tractors with rockers and I didn't mind it, but have never truly worked with one.

The 1533 loader control is near the operators right knee whereas the 2538 loader control is a tiny bit of a reach. To each their own. The RPM throttle knob is also near the operators knee on the 1533 whereas it is on the dash of the 2538. That's where I think it should be.

The 1533 has some bells and whistles with the suspension seat, cup holders, retracting seat belt, valve stem protectors on the wheels, and overall refinement. It's the refinement of the Mitsubishi machine in the 1533 that has me leaning towards it. The 2538 is just a little more tractor for the money, but lacking in fit and finish. Neither has a terrible history, many many good reviews on both. I think there are just a couple more problematic reviews about the 2500 line than the 1500 line.

Just asking away here and getting all my thoughts out there to see if there's anything I'm missing or if anyone knows from experience which tractor they'd get for the same price and why.

You have it just about summed up. The 2500 series are TYM korean built machines which aren't quite as nice as the 1500s built by Mitsubishi. All of the tractors you mentioned use the very same engine, even the 1538 and only vary by engine tune. The 1533 and 1538 are the same machine except for engine tune, tire size and maybe some other minor details. I don't know who makes the loader for the 2500s but KMW (Kansan Machine Works) builds the loaders and hoes for the 1500's so those are made here in the US. Do pay close attention to who you buy from to make sure your after sales experence is a good one.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think
  • Thread Starter
#4  
Thanks for the replies so far.

I thought they were very similar engines as far as specs go, other than the rated hp due to tuning of course.
But I did not know they were all the exact same. I thought the 1500 has a Mitsubishi built engine and the 2500 has a Daedong engine.

I also recently learned from a very quick ref in one of hundreds of videos that the 1500 boasts a tool box. Does anyone have a little more info on that toolbox? One thing I'd do immediately if I acquire a 2538 would be to mount some sort of holder/box for a pair of channel locks, ball pein hammer and spare cotter pins. There's something about a fuel tank being right behind my seat on the 2538 that is a little more nerving than having a fuel tank out in front of me under a hood. I'd trade that for a decent tool box. But then it's a bit on the crazy side to let a little tool box sway this decision, lol.
I could live with or without a cup holder, let alone needing two on the 1500. I think it'd be used if I had it, not missed if I didn't.

This is going to come down to a 15 minute test drive on the 1533 and then probably parking it right next to a 2538 and playing eenie, minnie, miny, moe!
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #5  
Your decision comes down do you want a TYM or a Mitsubishi.

There's no doubt in my mind that I'd get the Mitsubishi. I've seen too many threads about the TYM and it's problems and the very, very few regarding Mitsubishi. I've done nothing but use mine, and use it hard.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #6  
I have had a 3016 bought new in 2011, and it has been bullet proof ever since, no need for the dealer. Get the Mitsubishi, they are a solid, dependable machine.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #7  
I have a 1533 and I like it. Very strong tractor. Don't let the toolbox make or break the deal, I took the toolbox off of the 1533 because it is too small to do anything with and I'm looking to add something bigger somewhere on the tractor.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #8  
Thanks for the replies so far.

I thought they were very similar engines as far as specs go, other than the rated hp due to tuning of course.
But I did not know they were all the exact same. I thought the 1500 has a Mitsubishi built engine and the 2500 has a Daedong engine.

I also recently learned from a very quick ref in one of hundreds of videos that the 1500 boasts a tool box. Does anyone have a little more info on that toolbox? One thing I'd do immediately if I acquire a 2538 would be to mount some sort of holder/box for a pair of channel locks, ball pein hammer and spare cotter pins. There's something about a fuel tank being right behind my seat on the 2538 that is a little more nerving than having a fuel tank out in front of me under a hood. I'd trade that for a decent tool box. But then it's a bit on the crazy side to let a little tool box sway this decision, lol.
I could live with or without a cup holder, let alone needing two on the 1500. I think it'd be used if I had it, not missed if I didn't.

This is going to come down to a 15 minute test drive on the 1533 and then probably parking it right next to a 2538 and playing eenie, minnie, miny, moe!

The toolbox on the 1500 is nothing more than a small tackle box under the rear of the seat. If you get a backhoe the toolbox is removed for the spin around seat. All the models mentioned use the same Mahindra engine, made in India.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think #9  
Thanks for the replies so far.

I thought they were very similar engines as far as specs go, other than the rated hp due to tuning of course.
But I did not know they were all the exact same. I thought the 1500 has a Mitsubishi built engine and the 2500 has a Daedong engine.

I also recently learned from a very quick ref in one of hundreds of videos that the 1500 boasts a tool box. Does anyone have a little more info on that toolbox? One thing I'd do immediately if I acquire a 2538 would be to mount some sort of holder/box for a pair of channel locks, ball pein hammer and spare cotter pins. There's something about a fuel tank being right behind my seat on the 2538 that is a little more nerving than having a fuel tank out in front of me under a hood. I'd trade that for a decent tool box. But then it's a bit on the crazy side to let a little tool box sway this decision, lol.
I could live with or without a cup holder, let alone needing two on the 1500. I think it'd be used if I had it, not missed if I didn't.

This is going to come down to a 15 minute test drive on the 1533 and then probably parking it right next to a 2538 and playing eenie, minnie, miny, moe!

The toolbox on the 1500 is nothing more than a small tackle box under the rear of the seat. If you get a backhoe the toolbox is removed for the spin around seat. All the models mentioned use the same Mahindra engine, made in India.

Other that faulty ECU programming which lead to an inop temp gauge, the only problems I've had with mine were distributor induced with a really crappy and slip shod backhoe install. There has been nothing wrong with the machine itself other than service access for filters and stuff could be improved.

Documentation for all Mahindra models is crappy so to get decent documentation you'd have to look at another brand and hope they are better.
 
   / 1533 vs 2538, closer than you think
  • Thread Starter
#10  
The toolbox on the 1500 is nothing more than a small tackle box under the rear of the seat. If you get a backhoe the toolbox is removed for the spin around seat. All the models mentioned use the same Mahindra engine, made in India.

Other that faulty ECU programming which lead to an inop temp gauge, the only problems I've had with mine were distributor induced with a really crappy and slip shod backhoe install. There has been nothing wrong with the machine itself other than service access for filters and stuff could be improved.

Documentation for all Mahindra models is crappy so to get decent documentation you'd have to look at another brand and hope they are better.

No plans for a backhoe.
Good points about the toolbox. Was merely looking for a little info. Would a couple 3/8" shackles, a few cotter pins and a needle nose pliers fit in it?
billbill, Let me know how the addition of a toolbox goes.

One other thing I forgot to ask about (been thinking of posting a new thread in the Mahindra operating section, but haven't since I don't own one) was the H/M/L range shifter on the 2538. That thing leaves quite a bit to be desired. I had to work the heck outta that thing to get it to shift anywhere. It always felt stuck. I tried it at full stop and also while trying to barely roll. I tried with the brake off and on too as if it were a clutch. But there is no clutch and I just had a hard time with shifting ranges. I found many false neutrals too. I even banged my right elbow/funny bone hard on the ROPS one time while trying to shift, let's just say it wasn't very "funny"

Seems like the 1533 is winning me over .
 

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