1643 Problems

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

I have a new 1643 with 40 hours on it. I was moving some dirt with it yesterday afternoon and noticed that when I changed from forward to reverse(power shuttle) it would hesitate before it changed. Now all it will do is creep along. Doesn't matter if I am in low/medium/high or 1,2,3,4 gear. It will only creep along at the same speed. it will creep in reverse or forward but that is all it will do. Have any of you ever had this to happen? Got any ideas what it might be?

Thanks,

Wobblin-Goblin · Mar 12, 2014

No idea. Call your dealer.

TSO · Mar 12, 2014

Are your brakes locked? Hydraulic pressure up?

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

Actually the clutch went out in it. I am looking at $1200 to $1500 on the light side to fix it. Plus I have to haul it 200 miles one way. Needless to say I have a bad taste for massey right now. I should have went orange I guess. LOL I sold a 12 year old Kubota that I never had a bit of problem out of to get the 1643.

murphy1244 · Mar 12, 2014

Boria said:
Actually the clutch went out in it. I am looking at $1200 to $1500 on the light side to fix it. Plus I have to haul it 200 miles one way. Needless to say I have a bad taste for massey right now. I should have went orange I guess. LOL I sold a 12 year old Kubota that I never had a bit of problem out of to get the 1643.

No Warranty?

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

murphy1244 said:
No Warranty?

The way they are talking to me. I doubt the warranty is going to cover it or any part of it. They actually haven't even mentioned a warranty issue. I was told this was not typical and once they open it up they could tell if it was my fault or some other issue but they had never seen a clutch go out at 40 hours. So its probably going to be my fault. I am at the dealers mercy. I am debating right now as to whether I should bother with it or not. I am seriously considering letting agco have it back. I own a cabinet shop and its been my experience that when a new machine tears up that quickly its probably a lemon and I am probably going to spend a lot of time and money trying to keep it running.

TSO · Mar 12, 2014

Boria said:
The way they are talking to me. I doubt the warranty is going to cover it or any part of it. They actually haven't even mentioned a warranty issue. I was told this was not typical and once they open it up they could tell if it was my fault or some other issue but they had never seen a clutch go out at 40 hours. So its probably going to be my fault. I am at the dealers mercy. I am debating right now as to whether I should bother with it or not. I am seriously considering letting agco have it back. I own a cabinet shop and its been my experience that when a new machine tears up that quickly its probably a lemon and I am probably going to spend a lot of time and money trying to keep it running.

If it's under warranty, make them cover it.

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

TSO said:
If it's under warranty, make them cover it.

The Problem with this issue is you can't prove its not user error so your are at their mercy as to whether it is a warranty issue or misuse. Or at least that is the way I am understanding it.

dusty3030 · Mar 12, 2014

You would have to mess up royal to fry a clutch, especially power shuttle clutch, in 40 hours.

Have you used it like a bulldozer in high gear till it stalls out?

TSO · Mar 12, 2014

It's gonna be on them to prove that the damage was caused by you. Magnusson Moss Act should apply.

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

I don't mean to seem negative about the situation. I just usually come out smelling like poop instead of a rose when I fall in the pile. I have loved the tractor up until yesterday but now I am question my decision to go with MF. I can't say I haven't ridin the clutch a little here and there but I don't feel like I have done it that much. If that is all it takes to burn the clutch out then the tractor is not that well built and I made the wrong decision. I don't feel like I have used the tractor hard at all. I thought I was being kind of easy on it.

Most of the hours on the tractor have been riding. I have been moving dirt from a pit on the back of my property to the driveway filling in holes and level it out. Its about 400 yds one way from the pit to the driveway. Last week we cut down three large oak trees and cut them up and used the tractor to drag the logs to the back of the property.

TSO · Mar 12, 2014

Boria said:
I don't mean to seem negative about the situation. I just usually come out smelling like poop instead of a rose when I fall in the pile. I have loved the tractor up until yesterday but now I am question my decision to go with MF. I can't say I haven't ridin the clutch a little here and there but I don't feel like I have done it that much. If that is all it takes to burn the clutch out then the tractor is not that well built and I made the wrong decision. I don't feel like I have used the tractor hard at all. I thought I was being kind of easy on it.

Most of the hours on the tractor have been riding. I have been moving dirt from a pit on the back of my property to the driveway filling in holes and level it out. Its about 400 yds one way from the pit to the driveway. Last week we cut down three large oak trees and cut them up and used the tractor to drag the logs to the back of the property.

I have a hard time believing you could unknowingly burn a clutch out at 40 hrs. I burned one in a car when I was a kid ... it was no secret when it was happening.

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

I haven't noticed anything with the tractor until yesterday. When I was using it yesterday I noticed it seemed like when I changed from forward to reverse it would hesitate for a second before engaging. Didn't really think anything about it. When it stopped working I had scooped up a load of dirt, mashed the clutch, and put it in reverse and when I let off the clutch--nothing. it stopped right there.

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

TSO,

I noticed in another post you drove 17 hours to pick up your tractor. That is a problem I have with my dealer. He is 200 miles away and I have got to figure out a way to get the tractor to him. What size trailor is that in the picture of you towing your tractor? It looks like a 7 x 16 trailor with two 3500lb axles. If it is, did it pull ok? I have three trailors that size but haven't tried to load the tractor on any of them. Thought I might be pushing the weight limit.

TSO · Mar 12, 2014

Boria said:
TSO,

I noticed in another post you drove 17 hours to pick up your tractor. That is a problem I have with my dealer. He is 200 miles away and I have got to figure out a way to get the tractor to him. What size trailor is that in the picture of you towing your tractor? It looks like a 7 x 16 trailor with two 3500lb axles. If it is, did it pull ok? I have three trailors that size but haven't tried to load the tractor on any of them. Thought I might be pushing the weight limit.

Yeah, I picked up the Massey with that trailer. It was about 9hrs each way. I had to make home made ramps for it, and it needs Jack stands under the rear when loading. It wasn't ideal by any means, and was probably pushing the weight limit.

It towed it fine, but I've since sold that trailer and upgraded to something more appropriate.

Wobblin-Goblin · Mar 12, 2014

The powertrain warranty should cover you. If the dealer balks, he's being a d-bag. Play hardball with him in return.

dusty3030 · Mar 12, 2014

Are you sure clutch has gone out?

Correct me if I am wrong but power shuttle this is a wet clutch with a reverser lever that you don't have to clutch to switch direction?

Could well be something broke but clutch still good.

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

TSO said:
Yeah, I picked up the Massey with that trailer. It was about 9hrs each way. I had to make home made ramps for it, and it needs Jack stands under the rear when loading. It wasn't ideal by any means, and was probably pushing the weight limit.

It towed it fine, but I've since sold that trailer and upgraded to something more appropriate.

I need to haul my tractor about 25 miles one way every couple of months and I was wondering if I could haul it on a trailor like that. I have three 7 x 16 trailors that we haul cabinets on. I don't have a use for a car hauler or something similiar. I have ramps and a couple of wooden blocks that we put under the back of the trailor when we were loading the kubota on the trailor. The kubota was quite a bit lighter than the 1643.

Boria · Mar 12, 2014

dusty3030 said:
Are you sure clutch has gone out?

Correct me if I am wrong but power shuttle this is a wet clutch with a reverser lever that you don't have to clutch to switch direction?

Could well be something broke but clutch still good.

We loosened the clutch pedal per the dealer/mechanic and the tractor will run but not like its supposed to. this is how they determined the clutch was burn and slipping.