16LA loader operation question

[mpo111]

Hi all,

I think I have a problem with my loader. Since new, it has been very difficult to get it to curl / lift at the same time. If I am sitting still on the machine it can be done with some concentration, but forget about it when bouncing around. I checked with a dealer (not the one I bought it from) and they thought something sounded wrong. They had a used machine that I tried, and if I pulled the lever back and to the left at the same time, it curled and lifted at the same time. Mine would curl first, then lift once done curling. Just wondering if anyone can tell me what their machine does when pulling the lever on a 45 deg angle - does it lift and curl together or curl, then lift. I want to be sure there is something wrong before I have to pay someone to haul my machine to the shop.

thanks

 

[hazmat]

Welcome to tbn -

When activating both circuits at the same time, the fluid will take the path of least resisitance. Generally it is easier for the machine to curl than lift, so you'll see curl first, then lift. Also it will behave different when the bucket is full vs. empty.

 

[jinman]

My loader generally works in one function at a time. I don't think yours is unusual. When dumping, you can get it to do both functions easily, but when lifting, Hazmat's explanation applies.

 

[Redneck_Randy]

Mine works the same. One function at a time. I can like you if I am sitting still I can curl and lift at the same time but the trick is finding the sweet spot to achieve it.

 

[mpo111]

Thanks guys,

Anyone other than me find this terribly annoying? How do you effectivly scoop dirt out of a pile if you can't do both at once? Its real fun trying to lift a load and keep the bucket level, or try to bulldoze with any amount of contol over the bucket position. My machine is older, 2003, and I noticed the new Boomer brochure specifically says the loader contol has simultaneous lift and curl function. I wonder if they improved it? How old are your machines? Anyone have one of the new ones? -Mike

 

[jinman]

Thanks guys,

Anyone other than me find this terribly annoying? How do you effectivly scoop dirt out of a pile if you can't do both at once?

Mike, I drive into the pile, curl to scoop the dirt, then lift as I back away. I like having all the power applied to either the curl or lift cylinders. If you do both at once, you are limiting your total applied pressure. That may not be a big deal on a loader that can lift three tons, but it would be an issue on a the 16LA. My tractor is a 2001 model and I have moved many thousands of bucket loads from piles of loose material and also scraped up from native soil. If you are used to having both functions, I guess it could be annoying, but for me I'd never even think about it.

Perhaps the new literature you saw applied to the new loaders. It would sure be interesting to see the two work side-by-side.

 

[daTeacha]

The LX114 on my Case works the same way. If you curl the bucket back as you slowly move into the pile, it kind of rides upwards, peeling a layer of material off the pile as it goes. I would almost swear the loader on my old B7100 did both actions at once, but it was only 42 inches wide and could only lift 1/3 as much, so I prefer this one. The buckets are not made to function as dozers and are pretty lousy at it. Mine pretty much just bogs down and stalls out the tractor if I try it with a dirt pile. A dozer blade causes the material to rise up the blade and fall forward kind of like a wave while a bucket is designed to fill up rather than push material aside. When the bucket is full, the face of the load is not a good shape to encourage the wavelike action. It doesn't even work very well with snow.

 

[john_bud]

Actually, the 16LA does lift and curl functions at the same time. Push the control UP and to the RIGHT. It will lower and dump at the same time.

Not what you were thinking it meant? Welcome to the world of advertising!

They are technically correct, but functionally not what users want to see.


Don't feel too bad, Kubota and Deere play the same game....

jb

 

[FULLPULL]

My 270tl is the new model for the 18la tc55da series. It has a two spool valve like my 16la i used to have. I dont pay any attention much to operating one function at a time after i got the hang of it.They cut and move dirt alot better than anything i have used in the past for the size of the tractor . The valve also has a speed increser for when you dump your bucket if you hold the valve all the way to the right.

 

[daTeacha]

That "speed increaser for when you dump" is also on my LX114 on the Case. It doesn't seem to make a whole lot of difference, about .1 or .2 second with a full load. I kind of wondered why they bothered with it except to make something sound good in the literature. The dump speed seems fast enough without it.

Who really needs a superfast dump feature anyways? Seriously, what is the advantage, even if it's a half second faster? Will that little bit of time really let anyone get more work done in a day? If the normal dump time was 6 or 7 seconds, there might be some reason for a fast dump, but mine is pretty quick without the feature.